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the crisis is being felt in Kenya.given that majority of freelance writing companies are based in Ukraine and over 90% of their employees are Kenyans
, it has become difficult for the companies to process payments through the banks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:ecstacy wrote:captain kirk wrote:ecstacy wrote:Russia to Ukraine forces in Crimea : Surrender in the next 12 hours (6AM KE time I believe) or face military assault!! Surely Putin!! Russian military spokesman has dismissed claims of an ultimatum for Ukraine to surrender as "complete nonsense". @Ecstacy,what is your source? This story is developing by the hour. Ukrainian defense said "The head of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Aleksander Vitko set the deadline and also threatened two warships" However, Interfax news agency later quoted a fleet spokesman who denied that any ultimatum had been issued. Link - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26424738
It's in Ukraine's interest to make Russia look dangerous but it is also a fact Russia has also been issuing conflicting statements since the crisis in November. Russia's intent will be known in action in what seems to be at most a matter of days, if not hours not weeks. The AP reporting that the US has told Russia that this threat to Ukraine navy would be `dangerous escalation' and Moscow would be responsible. RT News wrote:Media reports about an alleged Russian ultimatum made to the Ukrainian armed forces in Crimea are “total nonsense,” a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said.
He said that no ultimatum had been made to the Ukrainian forces, Interfax reports.
“We have become accustomed to the daily accusations by the Ukrainian media of carrying out some sort of military actions against our Ukrainian colleagues," Russian Black Sea Fleet representative said, adding that “those who want to pit us against each other in the Crimea won’t succeed.”
Also, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told RT that they are unaware of any Russian ultimatum toward the Ukrainian forces in Crimea. RT is the Russian News Network if you want to get the correct news from Russia. Remember the western media is bound to be biased I don't think the Crimean forces that initially got disarmed did so willingly. The problem now is the Crimean Forces have refused to surrender and have shared the threats issued. Not all forces in Crimea are willing to defect. That fleet commander who defected has discovered a good number of the forces didn't follow suit. They were singing pro-Ukrainian songs. Now, the US State Department has just stated it's currently working on targeted sanctions. The mixed messages from Russia do seem deliberate to expose the opponents thinking. No need second guessing now, we wait and see the Russian actions. Disarming a sovereign army on their soil and surrounding the local defense facilities will not last forever.. Ofcourse not all are pro russia but Russia wants to push for a referendum to secede the same way they overthrew a legitimate govt. If a call for secession is called. Russia will carry the day. That KGB guy is not damn he is playing his cards, He knows the "tribal differences" that exist in Ukraine and more so in Crimea. That narrow strip of land tethering northern Crimea to the Ukrainian mainland, called the Perokop Isthmus, is the peninsula’s lifeline. Crimea is completely economically dependent on the mainland, which provides nearly all of its electricity and water and about 70 percent of its food. That’s why the Crimea is even a part of Ukraine! This divide and rule tactic can only take the inhabitants so far..
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ecstacy wrote:murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:ecstacy wrote:captain kirk wrote:ecstacy wrote:Russia to Ukraine forces in Crimea : Surrender in the next 12 hours (6AM KE time I believe) or face military assault!! Surely Putin!! Russian military spokesman has dismissed claims of an ultimatum for Ukraine to surrender as "complete nonsense". @Ecstacy,what is your source? This story is developing by the hour. Ukrainian defense said "The head of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Aleksander Vitko set the deadline and also threatened two warships" However, Interfax news agency later quoted a fleet spokesman who denied that any ultimatum had been issued. Link - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26424738
It's in Ukraine's interest to make Russia look dangerous but it is also a fact Russia has also been issuing conflicting statements since the crisis in November. Russia's intent will be known in action in what seems to be at most a matter of days, if not hours not weeks. The AP reporting that the US has told Russia that this threat to Ukraine navy would be `dangerous escalation' and Moscow would be responsible. RT News wrote:Media reports about an alleged Russian ultimatum made to the Ukrainian armed forces in Crimea are “total nonsense,” a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said.
He said that no ultimatum had been made to the Ukrainian forces, Interfax reports.
“We have become accustomed to the daily accusations by the Ukrainian media of carrying out some sort of military actions against our Ukrainian colleagues," Russian Black Sea Fleet representative said, adding that “those who want to pit us against each other in the Crimea won’t succeed.”
Also, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told RT that they are unaware of any Russian ultimatum toward the Ukrainian forces in Crimea. RT is the Russian News Network if you want to get the correct news from Russia. Remember the western media is bound to be biased I don't think the Crimean forces that initially got disarmed did so willingly. The problem now is the Crimean Forces have refused to surrender and have shared the threats issued. Not all forces in Crimea are willing to defect. That fleet commander who defected has discovered a good number of the forces didn't follow suit. They were singing pro-Ukrainian songs. Now, the US State Department has just stated it's currently working on targeted sanctions. The mixed messages from Russia do seem deliberate to expose the opponents thinking. No need second guessing now, we wait and see the Russian actions. Disarming a sovereign army on their soil and surrounding the local defense facilities will not last forever.. Ofcourse not all are pro russia but Russia wants to push for a referendum to secede the same way they overthrew a legitimate govt. If a call for secession is called. Russia will carry the day. That KGB guy is not damn he is playing his cards, He knows the "tribal differences" that exist in Ukraine and more so in Crimea. That narrow strip of land tethering northern Crimea to the Ukrainian mainland, called the Perokop Isthmus, is the peninsula’s lifeline. Crimea is completely economically dependent on the mainland, which provides nearly all of its electricity and water and about 70 percent of its food. That’s why the Crimea is even a part of Ukraine! This divide and rule tactic can only take the inhabitants so far.. The Eastern and Southern Ukraine are more dependent on Russia than they are on the Ukraine Govt. Russia's Black sea fleet pays millions of $$ for using the port in Crimea. Gas pipes from Russia to EU and Ukraine intersect and pass thru Crimea. Punguza the west propaganda if they knew they had the upper hand the standoff would have died by now. Its all politics. Russia knows all this demonstrations and govt takeovers are sponsored for a reason. Putin's msg is clear. Take Kiev but you will have no control of his naval base which is "his territory". "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:murchr wrote:ecstacy wrote:ecstacy wrote:captain kirk wrote:ecstacy wrote:Russia to Ukraine forces in Crimea : Surrender in the next 12 hours (6AM KE time I believe) or face military assault!! Surely Putin!! Russian military spokesman has dismissed claims of an ultimatum for Ukraine to surrender as "complete nonsense". @Ecstacy,what is your source? This story is developing by the hour. Ukrainian defense said "The head of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Aleksander Vitko set the deadline and also threatened two warships" However, Interfax news agency later quoted a fleet spokesman who denied that any ultimatum had been issued. Link - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26424738
It's in Ukraine's interest to make Russia look dangerous but it is also a fact Russia has also been issuing conflicting statements since the crisis in November. Russia's intent will be known in action in what seems to be at most a matter of days, if not hours not weeks. The AP reporting that the US has told Russia that this threat to Ukraine navy would be `dangerous escalation' and Moscow would be responsible. RT News wrote:Media reports about an alleged Russian ultimatum made to the Ukrainian armed forces in Crimea are “total nonsense,” a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said.
He said that no ultimatum had been made to the Ukrainian forces, Interfax reports.
“We have become accustomed to the daily accusations by the Ukrainian media of carrying out some sort of military actions against our Ukrainian colleagues," Russian Black Sea Fleet representative said, adding that “those who want to pit us against each other in the Crimea won’t succeed.”
Also, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry told RT that they are unaware of any Russian ultimatum toward the Ukrainian forces in Crimea. RT is the Russian News Network if you want to get the correct news from Russia. Remember the western media is bound to be biased I don't think the Crimean forces that initially got disarmed did so willingly. The problem now is the Crimean Forces have refused to surrender and have shared the threats issued. Not all forces in Crimea are willing to defect. That fleet commander who defected has discovered a good number of the forces didn't follow suit. They were singing pro-Ukrainian songs. Now, the US State Department has just stated it's currently working on targeted sanctions. The mixed messages from Russia do seem deliberate to expose the opponents thinking. No need second guessing now, we wait and see the Russian actions. Disarming a sovereign army on their soil and surrounding the local defense facilities will not last forever.. Ofcourse not all are pro russia but Russia wants to push for a referendum to secede the same way they overthrew a legitimate govt. If a call for secession is called. Russia will carry the day. That KGB guy is not damn he is playing his cards, He knows the "tribal differences" that exist in Ukraine and more so in Crimea. That narrow strip of land tethering northern Crimea to the Ukrainian mainland, called the Perokop Isthmus, is the peninsula’s lifeline. Crimea is completely economically dependent on the mainland, which provides nearly all of its electricity and water and about 70 percent of its food. That’s why the Crimea is even a part of Ukraine! This divide and rule tactic can only take the inhabitants so far.. The Eastern and Southern Ukraine are more dependent on Russia than they are on the Ukraine Govt. Russia's Black sea fleet pays millions of $$ for using the port in Crimea. Gas pipes from Russia to EU and Ukraine intersect and pass thru Crimea. Punguza the west propaganda if they knew they had the upper hand the standoff would have died by now. The only thing Russia is banking on is holding Europe ransom via it's vast energy supplies. Germany and France have stated sanctions aren't on their table yet. It's a fact Russian forces have invaded Ukraine, as Crimea remains part of Ukraine and Ukraine did not issue authorization for it nor did any body like the UN to which both Ukraine and Russia have international obligations. You may not agree but this is simply a matter of Putin playing big boy to the West, Syria and now Ukraine has become a post cold-war playground, at massive costs.
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the guardian wrote:As David Cameron said Britain and its EU partners would put pressure on Moscow after it assumed control of Crimea, a government document drawn up for a meeting of senior ministers said that "London's financial centre" should not be closed to Russians.
The picture of the document was taken by the freelance photographer Steve Back, who specialises in spotting secret documents carried openly by officials entering Downing Street. The document was in the hands of an unnamed official attending a meeting of the national security council called by the prime minister to discuss the Ukrainian crisis.
The document said Britain should:
• "Not support, for now, trade sanctions … or close London's financial centre to Russians."
• "Discourage any discussions (eg at Nato) of contingency military preparations".
• Embark on "contingency EU work on providing Ukraine with alternative gas [supplies] if Russia cuts them off".
• Draw up a technical assistance package for Ukraine "ideally jointly with Germany".
• Pursue the "deployment of OSCE and/or UN (but not EU) monitors in Crimea and eastern Ukraine".
• Push the "UN secretary general Ban to take the lead in calling and creating a forum for engaging Russia on Ukraine".
• Accept an emergency summit of EU leaders to discuss Ukraine.  http://www.theguardian.c...document#zoomed-picture
A rift appeared to be opening up on Monday night between the US and Europe on how to punish Vladimir Putin for his occupation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula, with European capitals resisting Washington's push towards tough sanctions. With the Americans, supported by parts of eastern Europe and Sweden, pushing for punitive measures against Moscow, EU foreign ministers divided into hawks and doves, preferring instead to pursue mediation and monitoring of the situation in Ukraine and to resist a strong sanctions package against Russia. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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The extent of economic sanctions rests solely on the EU, particularly its biggest economy Germany which is the 3rd largest consumer of natural gas on the planet. Russia and that other bad boy called Iran together possess more than 40% of known reserves. I do not see MAJOR economic sanctions in the foreseeable future as these would inadvertently hurt the EU too. Only token sanctions to play up to the West's own electorate and 'show strength'. Just like they announced intent of kicking Russia out of the G8 never mind the G20 is now the more important body.  All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
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captain kirk wrote:Russian stocks have crashed by 11% of its value today alone due to threat of sanctions from U.S. People are dumping stocks as they fear retaliation over Ukraine crisis. The value of the drop is about 58,000,000,000 USD. This is more than what was spent in organizing Sochi olympics. Imagine the losses if sanctions are initiated.
Putin must back down and beg for forgiveness. Point. The US does not need to fight any physical wars. All they need is make it difficult for Russians to do business with them through financial institutions and mobility. That will kill their currency and Putin's own people will take him out. i.am.back!!!!
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harrydre wrote:captain kirk wrote:Russian stocks have crashed by 11% of its value today alone due to threat of sanctions from U.S. People are dumping stocks as they fear retaliation over Ukraine crisis. The value of the drop is about 58,000,000,000 USD. This is more than what was spent in organizing Sochi olympics. Imagine the losses if sanctions are initiated.
Putin must back down and beg for forgiveness. Point. The US does not need to fight any physical wars. All they need is make it difficult for Russians to do business with them through financial institutions and mobility. That will kill their currency and Putin's own people will take him out. All markets in the west nosedived. Read the guardian on what London is planning. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:harrydre wrote:captain kirk wrote:Russian stocks have crashed by 11% of its value today alone due to threat of sanctions from U.S. People are dumping stocks as they fear retaliation over Ukraine crisis. The value of the drop is about 58,000,000,000 USD. This is more than what was spent in organizing Sochi olympics. Imagine the losses if sanctions are initiated.
Putin must back down and beg for forgiveness. Point. The US does not need to fight any physical wars. All they need is make it difficult for Russians to do business with them through financial institutions and mobility. That will kill their currency and Putin's own people will take him out. All markets in the west nosedived. Read the guardian on what London is planning. Mboss you are in denial the DOW lost O.94%, S%P 500 lost 0.72% while Nasdaq lost 0.74%. In Russia, The Cimex crashed spectacularly while the Dow dipped slightly. The U.S will wipe the floor with Russia if this goes on for a few more days.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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captain kirk wrote:murchr wrote:harrydre wrote:captain kirk wrote:Russian stocks have crashed by 11% of its value today alone due to threat of sanctions from U.S. People are dumping stocks as they fear retaliation over Ukraine crisis. The value of the drop is about 58,000,000,000 USD. This is more than what was spent in organizing Sochi olympics. Imagine the losses if sanctions are initiated.
Putin must back down and beg for forgiveness. Point. The US does not need to fight any physical wars. All they need is make it difficult for Russians to do business with them through financial institutions and mobility. That will kill their currency and Putin's own people will take him out. All markets in the west nosedived. Read the guardian on what London is planning. Mboss you are in denial the DOW lost O.94%, S%P 500 lost 0.72% while Nasdaq lost 0.74%. In Russia, The Cimex crashed spectacularly while the Dow dipped slightly. The U.S will wipe the floor with Russia if this goes on for a few more days. Interesting that they all lose on a situation that is not at home. Why is gold and oil gaining? More value ofcourse. IF the US thot they had a uper hand they'd have settled this. Now even Ban ki moon can do nada. Read the papers you'v just woken up. The city of London was busy while snored "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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