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The hypocrisy behind CORD's referendum call
Siringi
#71 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:01:28 PM
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Let us assume for once Raila is not in the picture and we discuss sirkal that is gud for area code +254

@Laughing out loudly now we are talking, My take is highlighted:

Lolest! wrote:
@siringi, Presidential is what we have now. Though it is kind of hybrid with Parliament having lots of power.

one man one vote kila mtu participates

Parliamentary system is the kind where the PM is leader of the party or coalition with the majority. Very unstable.

College system is like the one of stato but it doesn't have to be in that form.

What cord is proposing is also college system.


Problem is some CORDashians are shouting mara Parliamentary oho while other are singing Collegiate... gani nyinyi nataka?

Now to the Parliamentary guys? Do we abolish Senate? Who shall be Head of State Considering that in a Pure Parliamentary System the Prime Minster Becomes head of Gov while there is a ceremonial Head of State: - How do you intend to separate State from Gov and share power at this leve?

To the Collegiate (USA) Obamarians what makes you think that they Tyranny in allocating College votes to States(read Counties) will not be Unfair -- Nguugle George Bush Vs Al Gore then come back.
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masukuma
#72 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:04:41 PM
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Njuguna Njuguna penned this sometime last year

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It was in the course of the Harambee House negotiations where these documents were tabled that Raila dropped the ball. As people were debating and discussing, Raila suddenly said: “Your Excellency, I have a suggestion to make. I’m not sure if the suggestion will be accepted or rejected, but I get the feeling that we are not making progress. What would the PNU team’s response be if we, the ODM side, suggested that we adopt a pure presidential system?”

Raila finished and fiddled with his pen. There was complete silence. Everyone was shocked. Uhuru was the first to recover and he said: “Your Excellency maybe our side need time to consult briefly before we can comment on the suggestion. But for the record, the PNU team appreciates the ODM’s realisation that the presidential system is best for this country.”

“OK, OK. We can break for a few minutes,” the President said. The President and his PNU team left the room. The ODM team talked in hushed tones, mostly agreeing with Raila. I held my tongue briefly. I knew that Raila had betrayed us again. When the PNU team returned, they stated that they were grateful for ODM’s climb-down and would support the decision. Raila, Mudavadi, Ngilu, Mutakha and I then proceeded to his Treasury Building office for a prognosis. And it was there that Raila really shocked me. As soon as we sat down and started discussions, with Mutakha and I pointing out the “difficulties we will face trying to convince our people to support a presidential system that had all along been identified with the PNU team and which ODM had criticised before,”

Raila became agitated and growled: “Miguna, you can’t win all the time; ok? Henry [Kosgey] complained to me that you were rude to him the other day. In your so-called classical examples, you had removed all power from the President and gave it over to the Prime Minister. This is an elected President, yet he has no power. Leave this to politicians…We will explain the decision to the people.” Raila was clearly angry with me
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Lolest!
#73 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:15:08 PM
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@SIRINGI, in parliamentary the head of state is elected by te people or by another college. Bomas draft had suggested a ceremonial president elected by the people and executive PM by bunge. You say power to the people then take it away from them!
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Chiizi
#74 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:26:07 PM
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Did you know that the college system has a dark history to it? When determining the number of the college votes, the racial composition of a state was considered. Imagine you being looked at 75% human being! And you dare shout it! This is a serious human right violation.

Though universal suffrage has shortfalls, not also having it has worse consideration. It is a million dollar question. But the question why someone who's election was stolen would not want a popular vote needs to be answered
Impunity
#75 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:26:22 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
@SIRINGI, in parliamentary the head of state is elected by te people or by another college. Bomas draft had suggested a ceremonial president elected by the people and executive PM by bunge. You say power to the people then take it away from them!


Raila was for this system back in those days, I dont just know at what time sheitani ilimuingilia akakubali Absolute presidential system.
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#76 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:34:56 PM
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MN

“It will fall flat on its face. President Kenyatta and company still have the support of the majority of Kenyans and they won’t just sit back and let CORD have their way,” he explained"

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Siringi
#77 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:57:37 PM
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Hii siyui wametoa wapi?

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#CORD softens its stance on calls for referendum, says its aim is not to deny Kenyans the right to elect president




Nani alisema iko CORd spokesman kwa Wazua?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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Shak
#78 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:54:12 PM
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Siringi wrote:
Hii siyui wametoa wapi?

K24 TV‏@K24Tv43m
#CORD softens its stance on calls for referendum, says its aim is not to deny Kenyans the right to elect president




Nani alisema iko CORd spokesman kwa Wazua?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Governors from his own party disowned the referendum call. How embarrassing.
McReggae
#79 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:38:56 PM
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Shak wrote:
Siringi wrote:
Hii siyui wametoa wapi?

K24 TV‏@K24Tv43m
#CORD softens its stance on calls for referendum, says its aim is not to deny Kenyans the right to elect president




Nani alisema iko CORd spokesman kwa Wazua?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Governors from his own party disowned the referendum call. How embarrassing.


Your kind are so confused....when some CORD people speak it's attributed to Raila, others oppose the same stand and now they opposed Raila....look at my 1st response to this poat.....the onlt referendum Raila has talked about is the increment of county alloctiona.....com'on guys, your brains can do better than this......sometimes it's difficult to engage youth wingers with zero understanding of what they post.
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Shak
#80 Posted : Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:54:31 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Shak wrote:
Siringi wrote:
Hii siyui wametoa wapi?

K24 TV‏@K24Tv43m
#CORD softens its stance on calls for referendum, says its aim is not to deny Kenyans the right to elect president




Nani alisema iko CORd spokesman kwa Wazua?Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Governors from his own party disowned the referendum call. How embarrassing.


Your kind are so confused....when some CORD people speak it's attributed to Raila, others oppose the same stand and now they opposed Raila....look at my 1st response to this poat.....the onlt referendum Raila has talked about is the increment of county alloctiona.....com'on guys, your brains can do better than this......sometimes it's difficult to engage youth wingers with zero understanding of what they post.

You can put your point across without insults. Respect yourself
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