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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,335 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:selah wrote:how did TNA decide on Uhuru as their flag bearer was their a democratic process to choose him? C'mon boss, only ODM is expected to have internal democracy!!!! True, and very true. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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@Itz I have not critisized uhuru for being a son of Jomo I have laid the facts that his stay at treasury has not changed anything..we are actually worse than before he was there.Check the facts below. Quote:The World Bank estimates that Kenya’s poverty level stands at 44 to 46 per cent, which is almost the same level it has remained for six years. However, it represents an improvement from 12 years ago when poverty level stood at 56 per cent before falling to 46 per cent in 2005/6. http://www.businessdaily.../-/tx0i2lz/-/index.html Quote:yesterday, Dr Ndii— an economist who has consulted for the government and the World Bank— however said the Central Bank’s decision to support Treasury’s stimulus beyond 2009 was what set the stage for the current run-away inflation and depreciation of the shilling in recent months.
Finance minister Uhuru Kenyatta rolled out a Sh22 billion stimulus package in 2009 that involved employing youths to do menial jobs in urban and rural areas for pay. The plan succeeded in reversing a 0.8 per cent quarter-on-quarter economic contraction in the first three months of 2009 to positive growth trajectory. Following the post-election violence of 2008, the Central Bank adopted an “accommodative” monetary policy to support the Treasury’s growth objective that was seen as the only long-term solution to high joblessness among the youth. That meant keeping interest rates low to promote lending to businesses. The low interest rate regime, however, translated into higher inflation rates and a weak currency that informed the sudden reversal of the loose monetary policy stance in September. http://www.businessdaily...-/12d0joez/-/index.html
As we are speaking Kenyas debt to GDP is above 50% ,UG its 33.6 ,while TZ 43.1  '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2009 Posts: 348
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@Saleh.Just because people claim to be experts doesnt necessarily mean they are always right.I wonder how the high interest rates currently and tight monetary policy are treating you and the kenyan economy today.Here are the facts on inflation.In early 2009 when that stimulus was rolled out price of oil dropped to below 50 dollars per barrel and it was boom time,this year the price more than doubled to over 125 dollars brent. http://www.indexmundi.co...oil-brent&months=60
That is biggest cause of inflation over those years(external factors) after US did their monetary easing.The stimulus in kenya had to be done because of the abrupt drop in GDP from 7.1 to 1.8%. On those programs for the youth(kazi kwa vijana) am sure u know who is responsible for that.Uhuru and guyz at the treasury wanted that money given to banks and lend competitively to youths with the best business ideas but some people who u know made alot noise and the program was an absolute failure and waste of money.IMF and World Bank cover themselves first before anyone else.They have forced kenya indirectly to stop lending money for business expansion(think about that for a minute)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Asking for EVIDENCE to back allegations of land grabbing by Mzee Kenyatta is asking too much from ordinary Kenyans. Does lack of evidence from ordinary Kenyans amount to innocence? NO! I think when common law was developing, common sense was the key ingredient. My common sense tells me, it is not possible to own swathes of land in a far place like Taita,if you hail from Kiambu. You can argue that he bought it,i give you that. How about the fund that was set after the white settlers left, was it not for the original land owners to get funds to re-purchase their land? Maybe there was no such fund.As a president, how moral is it, for you to buy land,swathes of it,when you know the original owners are squatters? Thousands of hectares when the populace you lead is landless? That was the dad's fault,not Uhuru's, you may say. Then how is he going to address historical injustices like the above,the alleged assassinations? HOW? Create some land from thin air for the original owners of the land now owned by the Kenyatta's? Maybe the numbers will be on his side and win the next general elections,then ICC, then what next? We have a Bashir? Bashir has the Arab money bags,what does Kenya have? Who's drilling the Turkana oil? Tullow. He becomes a Bashir, the drilling stops. I heard today the Japanese gave a 29bn loan for by-passes in Mombasa, that will stop too. Nobody knows what will happen with the ICC,it's like a dark cloud, no one knows what's inside. So why take the whole country thru' such uncertainties,just for someone? Why risk your daily bread for someone who never risked for anyone? [Watch out what you throw in response]. You may call it fear-mongering, but unless and until you tell me how the whole thing gonna play out, you will let me monger.
It's not worth it. At all it's not,to take the country into the miasma of uncertainty. I voted twice for Kibaki,2002 and 2007, because i believed he would transform the country.He has to some extend,but i'm not happy with what happened after 2007.I'm not happy with him side-stepping the law. Now we need a different kind of leader,someone who can [sensibly] address the historical injustices. Somebody not afraid to step on people's toes. I remember during the Mau evictions, i read on this very Wazua people saying "RAO amejimaliza" and i wondered, "Is Mau,the waters and rivers from Mau, RAO's property"? Ain't it for the good of all if Mau is protected,rains fall,Maasai Mara quenched? When it rains,is it RAO who gets the rains? The masqueraders[Uhuru,Kalonzo,Musalia etc] were busy looking at their interests, at the nation's peril. [the omission of Ruto's name is deliberate] When demolitions for by-passes started in 2003/4, i remember even Kibaki backed away, saying it was RAO[then roads minister] demolishing people's sweat [houses]. Who uses the by-passes now? I gez RAO, all by himself. With the way things are looking now, that's the kind of guy i would like as my president. But i have only one vote and the numbers might not be on our side and so, Uhuru might end up winning, well let him win, without my vote. Then i will sit back and watch the Kanu days crawl back, into our sitting rooms and into the bedrooms. Uhuru has been going against the law with the budget several times. He never fought for the new constitution,he was not decisive months before last referendum until he was sure it was safe to be on the YES side. I don't think he has passion for the reforms/constitution.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Quite strange, you want to throw accusations at someone yet when asked for evidence "its asking too much from Kenyans". That is definitely new. So let me give an example, if you are a loan defaulter should your child be denied bank credit since he is your offspring? So should we also blame RAOS kids for the kazi kwa vijana saga, Mollases, 100mill collected for hyacinth etc etc???? REALLY? @ MKeiyd so you think your new found candidate is clean and all others are dirty, please spare us. Lets call a spade a spade, the only reason UK is getting all this heat is because he is the candidate most likely to beat RAO PERIOD! “People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Kratos wrote:Quite strange, you want to throw accusations at someone yet when asked for evidence "its asking too much from Kenyans". That is definitely new. So let me give an example, if you are a loan defaulter should your child be denied bank credit since he is your offspring? So should we also blame RAOS kids for the kazi kwa vijana saga, Mollases, 100mill collected for hyacinth etc etc???? REALLY? @ MKeiyd so you think your new found candidate is clean and all others are dirty, please spare us. Lets call a spade a spade, the only reason UK is getting all this heat is because he is the candidate most likely to beat RAO PERIOD! iBelieve a RAO vs UMK at the ballot is a welcome!!...the rest can tag along to their preferred candidate...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I like the arguments around his performance in the ministry of finance where he has been boss. Similar analysis should be given for his performance in other ministries and his parliamentary seat. This is the kind of arguments we need to see not nauseating arguments of how much of a polygamist Uhuru is since old Jomo had 4 wives!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Apart from assessing his performance in public service other questions around his candidacy: How will his alleged involvement in the revenge attacks affect national reconciliation? Would a person from the tribes affected feel safe under his leadership? This criteria must be applied for Ruto and Raila too.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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Kratos wrote:Quite strange, you want to throw accusations at someone yet when asked for evidence "its asking too much from Kenyans". That is definitely new. So let me give an example, if you are a loan defaulter should your child be denied bank credit since he is your offspring? So should we also blame RAOS kids for the kazi kwa vijana saga, Mollases, 100mill collected for hyacinth etc etc???? REALLY? @ MKeiyd so you think your new found candidate is clean and all others are dirty, please spare us. Lets call a spade a spade, the only reason UK is getting all this heat is because he is the candidate most likely to beat RAO PERIOD! @Kratos, You know Wacucu? Wanugu? We all know they were convicted,does that mean,we the ordinary people "HAVE THE EVIDENCE"? Do you have it? If you do,share it here. If you don't,should we assume they were innocent? Explain to me how Kenyatta got all those lands? Enlighten me. Is there a clean politician in the world? HELL NO. RAO is not clean, but he has been in the thick of things fighting for the ordinary Kenyan,he's not afraid of stepping on people's toes for the good of all. Back to the thread,its about TNA. Tell me what Uhuru has done in his past to demonstrate that he can deliver on his promises of addressing historical injustices and create employment? Convince me how Kenya will be better with a Uhuru president? Convince me how rule of law will be upheld under a Uhuru presidency? TNA said its time for transformation, not REFORMS. I'm asking you,REALLY? That's scary for me. I don't trust such statements from someone who's been joyriding all along.He's been comfy all thru',a person of status quo. You say Uhuru is getting "all the heat" coz he's the man to beat RAO? Maybe in your head. I didn't vote for RAO in 2007,i voted for Kibaki,but now its RAO for me. Why do you think i voted for Kibaki then if now i'm for RAO? @Kratos,talk about TNA,convince someone that Uhuru is the man and stop thinking people hate him. For some of us, it's all about ISSUES n CHARACTER. The rest belongs to the morons. And they're many i tell you.
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