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Kenya airways Right Issue
the deal
#141 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:04:59 PM
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chaimani wrote:
the deal wrote:
Talking is a waste of time, what you should be doing is looking for an entry point...they're not raising cash to eat...they're raising cash to buy assets.


How do we get information if you what us to be quite?Not talking Not talking Not talking

And what information have u gotten here? Please share?
StatMeister
#142 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:33:43 PM
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Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?

Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.

Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock.
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
guru267
#143 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:41:31 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?

Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.

Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock.


If I was the CEO of Citi in the US I would look for the guys who approved this debacle here in kenya and pistol whip them...

This must be a plan to chase off small shareholders.. The minority should file to the courts for protection from oppression by the majority..

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
StatMeister
#144 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:47:42 PM
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guru267 wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?

Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.

Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock.


If I was the CEO of Citi in the US I would look for the guys who approved this debacle here in kenya and pistol whip them...

This must be a plan to chase off small shareholders.. The minority should file to the courts for protection from oppression by the majority..



Suppose that 25% of shares are not taken up, then Citi will have to buy them at 14. This means Citi will put 14*125m = 5.6b

Citi will then either hold them or sell them, whichever way, if the price settles to 8bob, Citi has to impair 2.4b. That’s their profits for 4 years.

I hope this does not spill over to banking
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
Aguytrying
#145 Posted : Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:46:05 PM
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I have a hunch that kq will rally past 14.00before the new shares start ,.trading,especially around time for announcement of rights results pp
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#146 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 7:57:31 AM
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didnt know george soros was a player !


http://articles.nydailyn...oros-lawyer-claims-bribe
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#147 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 9:05:40 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?

Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.

Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock.


Citi with all it's financial experience and wide base of professional resource would goof on something the 'nmwananchi' already knows is a NO GO???

I doubt.

There must be something Citi knows tha we don't.
mwekez@ji
#148 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 9:25:19 AM
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Pierce wrote:
StatMeister wrote:
Why do i have this feeling that KQ is getting their 14 bob anyway?

Citi have underwritten the issue, and its them who will buy an 8 bob share at 14.

Essentially, KQ shorted their own stock.


Citi with all it's financial experience and wide base of professional resource would goof on something the 'nmwananchi' already knows is a NO GO???

I doubt.

There must be something Citi knows tha we don't.


KQ’s risk management team looks smarter than the Citibank’s in the immediate time. As time ticks, citi could be the ones smiling. But then again, there was word that 80% of the shareholders have promised to pick their rights. One can even tell that the volumes changing hands at this period are wanjikus
mlennyma
#149 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 9:47:48 AM
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I will buy my discounted rights sub 10 from mr. Market.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#150 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 1:55:13 PM
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"...according to Clark, who says he’s sticking with a no-hedging strategy rather than risking a losing bet.

“You think you’re going to win, but in the long term you always lose,” Clark said yesterday at the Gulf carrier’s head office near Dubai International Airport. “When we enter into derivatives, betting whatever it may be with counterparties who actually control the price of fuel in the first place, you have to ask yourself, ‘Is that smart?’”


http://www.bloomberg.com...il-in-fuel-squeeze.html

Well, compare KQ vs Emirates!

KQ has made net losses since they started hedging. These hedges are sold by financial institutions that in turn buy/sell the same hedges... It's the fox guarding the hen-house.

Citi will get a good deal. KQ's NAV is much higher than 14/-. Even after the Rights, the NAV will be above 14/- [and a lot of it in cash].

Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.

Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#151 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 3:21:25 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:

Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.


I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue??

VituVingiSana wrote:
Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-.


How exactly will this happen??
KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten..

So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
stocksmaster
#152 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 3:49:07 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:

Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.


I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue??

VituVingiSana wrote:
Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-.


How exactly will this happen??
KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten..

So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob..


With the price falling much below the rights price, the possibility of citi bank having to underwrite upto 20% of the rights (about the fraction of local KQ shareholders) becomes a real possibility. By underwritting about 20% of rights (about 290M shares), Citi bank may end up owning 15% of KQ post rights!!!

I still believe the KQ expansion is over ambitious especially considering the many variables currently affecting the airline business. The Ksh 20.7B to be raised by the rights issue is only a 10% down payment for the planes!!! My concern is the level of debt they will have to take to pay the balance.

It would be prudent to stay out of this share for the short to medium term.

Happy Hunting
FUNKY
#153 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 3:57:41 PM
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Underwriters buy at a discount...incase if it gets undersubscribed citi will buy it less at less than 14/-
VituVingiSana
#154 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 4:00:43 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:

Furthermore, Citibank will INSIST in being the main bank for KQ's Rights Issue thus earning fees, commissions & arbitrage income.


I thought KCB was appointed the main bank for the rights issue??

VituVingiSana wrote:
Citi will also get a DISCOUNT on the Rights Issue. Yes, suckers, Citi will pay less than 14/-.


How exactly will this happen??
KQ is raising 20.7 billion meaning that they require a MINIMUM of 14bob per share on the rights which CITI has underwritten..

So if the shares are under subscribed CITI must buy the remaining rights at 14bob even if the shares on the market are 7bob..

There are local sales & foreign sales. A lot of KQ shares are owned by 'foreigners' so the forex would remain with Citi.

Underwriters get a fee or discount to underwrite a Rights Issue. This fee/discount means Citi effectively pays LESS than 14/-.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
QW25091985
#155 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 4:02:35 PM
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its very important to know the market trend when approaching this right . remember britak ? the market was down and yet people were buying the ipo . me i would urge people to keep off this one and buy after the rights start trading .
i just donot see where a rally will come from given that KQ is mostly a foreign investors dominated and currently they arenot in this market !
mlennyma
#156 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 5:07:17 PM
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So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out?
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jerry
#157 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 6:50:00 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out?

The contract was binding ama? There must be an exit clause to comply with.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
QW25091985
#158 Posted : Friday, March 23, 2012 7:02:11 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
So citibank had signed a price edge gambling or what?why havent they pulled out?


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly there's nothing like price edge gambling
Aguytrying
#159 Posted : Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:55:56 PM
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I will tell my children and generation to never buy airline stocks
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mwekez@ji
#160 Posted : Monday, March 26, 2012 8:23:59 AM
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