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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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Actually in our house there's always been 2 or 3 househelps present at the same time. Chances are many of them have had HIV, but we've never bothered to find out, and I am yet to contract HIV from them. It's a non-issue guys
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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I am a mother, my first ministry, responsibility, role etc is to my children. If i found she was HIV +, i'd ask her to leave coz my children matter most. I'll assist in every way i can but not as my house help. My employer sent me for a medical exam so i find nothing wrong in taking a girl for a pre-employment medical exam. Oti Small, you did the right thing. Do not feel guilty. Should she disclose it to u or ur wife however, try direct her to those support groups that help PWA's start businesses or get employment. I agree with many people here, being a parent comes with an overwhelming desire to protect your child from hurt from any corner. So naturally you will not take this risk. ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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jguru wrote:KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? @KenyanLyrics: The househelp does not necessary have to infect the child with HIV through sexual intercourse or exchange of body/blood products. A TB infection to a 2 year old is a grave matter. Either the TB infection itself, or the 6 months regimen of anti-TBs might kill the child. A herpes zoster infection will stay with the child for life, and will leave nasty scars to show for it. The househelp prepares the family's food. The parents might be able to fight a diarrhoeal disease, the children will succumb to vomiting and diarrhoea. @otieno: Considering you have no access to her clinical records (they remain strictly confidential), it is up to you as a parent, to decide whether to keep the househelp or not, since you cannot assess her health state yourself. I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child. The ideal situation would to take the housegirls for health tests and for them to get health certificates (just like it is a requirement by law for food handlers in public facilities. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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Euge wrote:The ideal situation would to take the housegirls for health tests and for them to get health certificates (just like it is a requirement by law for food handlers in public facilities. I think so too. However, this would give the human rights groups fodder to feed on. Discrimination, human rights etc. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,905
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Euge wrote:I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child.
And this is what @KenyaLyrics and crew are calling a non-issue! One might actually say that your friend was 'lucky'. If the kid belonged to 99% of Kenyans, he would have passed on because they definitely couldn't afford Kshs. 6 million. What I'm I saying? Heck, a majority of Kenyans can't afford 600,000/= or even 60,000/=. Come to think of it, half the population would have a challenge to raise 6,000/= on a moments notice - without affect their monthly budget. @KenyaLyrics will probably say you can take the kid to a government hospital. If you don't want the pain of watching your kid on a hospital bench or being treated with pain killers for months on end, then this is a route you will try to avoid at all costs. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2007 Posts: 2,047
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Euge wrote:jguru wrote:[quote=KenyanLyrics]you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child. . 6M to treat TB? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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famooz wrote:Euge wrote:jguru wrote:[quote=KenyanLyrics]you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child. . 6M to treat TB? Very possible. Consider the age of the patient. 2 weeks old. At that age a baby would be most likely admitted even for a mere common cold. Now consider it is TB. The type of medical care needed. The period of the treatment. And have you heard of XDR-TB (Drug-Resistant Tuberculosis) or (MDR-TB) Multi-Drug-Resistant Tuberculosis? You must be living under a rock. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/11/2009 Posts: 302
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famooz wrote:Euge wrote:jguru wrote:[quote=KenyanLyrics]you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child. . 6M to treat TB? @Famooz, Just picture the fragility of a 2 month old and then the amount of time it takes to fully treat TB. Is it 18 months- I'm not sure but it's a long time - add private medical care, and a medical insurance magic card you will see 6 million or more. I bet it would be upto 75 times less or even free in public health facilities.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/19/2007 Posts: 2,047
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@ spend.thrift that amount of money did not go to treating TB. This explains to you what happens when social services such as health care are commercialised and the service provider makes available the services needed or wanted by consumers at a price they are willing to pay for;this is self regulation.
Having Worked in the health sector ,i can tell you without contradicting myself that treating TB cannot cost 6M,even assuming that the kid needed life support etc.
But the good news in all of this is that the kid lived! :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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famooz wrote:Euge wrote:jguru wrote:[quote=KenyanLyrics]you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? I have a friend whose 2 weeks old child caught TB. It took long to discover coz the lung collapsed etc.....Once the docs discovered it collapsed coz of TB, the did tests on members of the household and the house girl tested positive (for TB). To cut a long story short, it cost the family 6 million in medical care for the child. . 6M to treat TB? Yes 6 million and they are still paying the bill. Kid was first treated for wrong illness before they discovered what it was and was in and out of hospital (including theatre) till at 8 months. Lord, thank you!
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