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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. I find KK not aggressive enough in getting petrol stations in prime locations. But I have realised thika to embu they have a presence. Wish they could replicate it elsewhere. That said the volumes of sales are among the highest of the OMCs The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. I find KK not aggressive enough in getting petrol stations in prime locations. But I have realised thika to embu they have a presence. Wish they could replicate it elsewhere. That said the volumes of sales are among the highest of the OMCs My view or understanding of Ohana's philosophy is KK will pursue PROFITABLE growth rather than Segman's policy [at the time] of growth in volumes at the expense of profits. There are different schools of thought but after seeing what happened to ARM, KK and KQ in the not so distant past, I agree with "slow but sure" growth in the core business. What I would like to see happen is greater growth in "other income" by pursuing better re-development of the prime stations that have extra land. KK has put a lot of money into expanding the LPG business and that will pay off going forward. The K-Card could be leveraged further. That has disappointed me i.e. I do not see a major push to get more K-Cards into more hands and tie it in with other retailers for increased loyalty. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,507 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. I find KK not aggressive enough in getting petrol stations in prime locations. But I have realised thika to embu they have a presence. Wish they could replicate it elsewhere. That said the volumes of sales are among the highest of the OMCs My view or understanding of Ohana's philosophy is KK will pursue PROFITABLE growth rather than Segman's policy [at the time] of growth in volumes at the expense of profits. There are different schools of thought but after seeing what happened to ARM, KK and KQ in the not so distant past, I agree with "slow but sure" growth in the core business. What I would like to see happen is greater growth in "other income" by pursuing better re-development of the prime stations that have extra land. KK has put a lot of money into expanding the LPG business and that will pay off going forward. The K-Card could be leveraged further. That has disappointed me i.e. I do not see a major push to get more K-Cards into more hands and tie it in with other retailers for increased loyalty. @vvs slow but sure is good but some businesses grow organically and without much debt.. COOP & KCB are good examples HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. I find KK not aggressive enough in getting petrol stations in prime locations. But I have realised thika to embu they have a presence. Wish they could replicate it elsewhere. That said the volumes of sales are among the highest of the OMCs My view or understanding of Ohana's philosophy is KK will pursue PROFITABLE growth rather than Segman's policy [at the time] of growth in volumes at the expense of profits. There are different schools of thought but after seeing what happened to ARM, KK and KQ in the not so distant past, I agree with "slow but sure" growth in the core business. What I would like to see happen is greater growth in "other income" by pursuing better re-development of the prime stations that have extra land. KK has put a lot of money into expanding the LPG business and that will pay off going forward. The K-Card could be leveraged further. That has disappointed me i.e. I do not see a major push to get more K-Cards into more hands and tie it in with other retailers for increased loyalty. @vvs slow but sure is good but some businesses grow organically and without much debt.. COOP & KCB are good examples Banks cannot be evaluated on "debt" since their entire business is predicated on debt! Depositors "lend" to banks. Banks "lend" that money to borrowers. In Kenya, there is a mismatch i.e. loans maturities > deposit maturities hence the fear of a run on a bank. The bank may be fine and lent properly BUT a borrower can't cash out, at a "fair" price, as fast as a bank needs to if there's a run. KK, ARM, etc business is not "money" but "product" ... Money is a means of exchange. For banks, "money" is the "commodity" Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,684 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Aguytrying wrote:kawi254 wrote:Next market share report for OMCs should be interesting.
On all major Highways i have noticed a lot of Shell & Total petrol stations owned by our Somali brothers opening up - leveraging on the big brands as opposed to opening Petrol Stations with unknown names.
Maybe KenolKobil need also to partner up with our Somali brothers to increase their petrol stations numbers. I've noted too. Between Nairobi and machakos junction, so big big stations. KK should get one or 2 there. There are so many trucks + jam on the route which could translate to more sales Ohana did mention that they are looking for more stations i.e. if you know someone who wants to lease to KK, they can get in touch with KK but what he said is they LEASE not buy the stations. I saw a nice one near/in Kekopey that caters to trucks. That should be the future. Question: With crazy rents/prices of land/buildings in Nairobi... can petrol stations make a decent ROI? [If you have a station that's been there for years at a low(er) rent, you are OK but buying one acre in Upper Hill is 500mn. 500mn at 12% (T-Bond) = 60mn/year tax-free (90mn pre-tax) Add interest costs to build a station + lease equipment. Maintenance costs. Salaries. Taxes (County, licenses, etc) A station would have to generate at least KES 150mn gross profits to pay all costs and make 60mn PAT + a little extra for the hassle. I find KK not aggressive enough in getting petrol stations in prime locations. But I have realised thika to embu they have a presence. Wish they could replicate it elsewhere. That said the volumes of sales are among the highest of the OMCs My view or understanding of Ohana's philosophy is KK will pursue PROFITABLE growth rather than Segman's policy [at the time] of growth in volumes at the expense of profits. There are different schools of thought but after seeing what happened to ARM, KK and KQ in the not so distant past, I agree with "slow but sure" growth in the core business. What I would like to see happen is greater growth in "other income" by pursuing better re-development of the prime stations that have extra land. KK has put a lot of money into expanding the LPG business and that will pay off going forward. The K-Card could be leveraged further. That has disappointed me i.e. I do not see a major push to get more K-Cards into more hands and tie it in with other retailers for increased loyalty. Cash is king Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,507 Location: nairobi
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muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition What did you but using the cash? KQ? 😂😂😂 I love the bargains in the NSE at the moment! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,507 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition What did you but using the cash? KQ? 😂😂😂 I love the bargains in the NSE at the moment! No. It was only 1,000 shares. Bought shoes! HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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The backlog of sell orders around 14.80 -15 seems to be over "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition Good for you as we get to 15 and beyond. I may have bought some of your shares. As of 7 Feb 2018 KQ trades at 16/- with a negative EPS. KK trades at 15/- with a positive EPS (2017) even after huge write-offs [KPRL, lawsuit and Segman] I expect a very good 2018. Kestrel [it is related to KK] is also bullish. I await a FY 2017 dividend of 30-50 cents. And an interim FY 2018 dividend. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition Good for you as we get to 15 and beyond. I may have bought some of your shares. As of 7 Feb 2018 KQ trades at 16/- with a negative EPS. KK trades at 15/- with a positive EPS (2017) even after huge write-offs [KPRL, lawsuit and Segman] I expect a very good 2018. Kestrel [it is related to KK] is also bullish. I await a FY 2017 dividend of 30-50 cents. And an interim FY 2018 dividend. Kestrel are always bullish with anything Kenol. It maybe very well run as you assert but the net margins suck. Whats your end game? A buyout?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition Good for you as we get to 15 and beyond. I may have bought some of your shares. As of 7 Feb 2018 KQ trades at 16/- with a negative EPS. KK trades at 15/- with a positive EPS (2017) even after huge write-offs [KPRL, lawsuit and Segman] I expect a very good 2018. Kestrel [it is related to KK] is also bullish. I await a FY 2017 dividend of 30-50 cents. And an interim FY 2018 dividend. Kestrel are always bullish with anything Kenol. It maybe very well run as you assert but the net margins suck. Whats your end game? A buyout? It's good to acknowledge that KK and Kestrel have "ties". If KK can sustainably make an EPS of 2.50 that's a great ROI of 16.66% = (2.50/15.00)... I do not need a buy-out. Net Margins: Yes, they are low but that's common in the industry. This is a volume driven business not a "high value" business. It is certainly not Apple. With KK's re-entry into the OTS, the net margin may even drop further but volumes/revenues will increase. OTS cargoes have slim margins with a low chance of default due to the penalties imposed by MoE/ERC on the defaulters. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Horton wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition Good for you as we get to 15 and beyond. I may have bought some of your shares. As of 7 Feb 2018 KQ trades at 16/- with a negative EPS. KK trades at 15/- with a positive EPS (2017) even after huge write-offs [KPRL, lawsuit and Segman] I expect a very good 2018. Kestrel [it is related to KK] is also bullish. I await a FY 2017 dividend of 30-50 cents. And an interim FY 2018 dividend. Kestrel are always bullish with anything Kenol. It maybe very well run as you assert but the net margins suck. Whats your end game? A buyout? It's good to acknowledge that KK and Kestrel have "ties". If KK can sustainably make an EPS of 2.50 that's a great ROI of 16.66% = (2.50/15.00)... I do not need a buy-out. Net Margins: Yes, they are low but that's common in the industry. This is a volume driven business not a "high value" business. It is certainly not Apple. With KK's re-entry into the OTS, the net margin may even drop further but volumes/revenues will increase. OTS cargoes have slim margins with a low chance of default due to the penalties imposed by MoE/ERC on the defaulters. that energy CS who hinted the end of price controls was retained, how soon can that happen and why did some players like kk want controls to stay.? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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@miennyma - KK knows how to successfully navigate the price controls... It gives them an advantage and so they prefer it that way. I do not like price controls coz they distort the markets... Why does GoK want to remove price controls? Simple. So they can shift the blame of higher fuel/retail prices to the OMCs in the wake of rising oil prices. With price controls, the higher oil prices are translated to higher pump prices, and ERC sets the prices, and OMCs prefer that to being accused of price gouging by ignorant consumers. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@miennyma - KK knows how to successfully navigate the price controls... It gives them an advantage and so they prefer it that way.
I do not like price controls coz they distort the markets...
Why does GoK want to remove price controls? Simple. So they can shift the blame of higher fuel/retail prices to the OMCs in the wake of rising oil prices. With price controls, the higher oil prices are translated to higher pump prices, and ERC sets the prices, and OMCs prefer that to being accused of price gouging by ignorant consumers. Spot on,they want to shift blame since wanjiku knows very little about world oil prices ,,,,let it stay for them to carry the blame, it gives the marketers a predictable profit margin .....meanwhile the buyers can't believe the sellers want a price not less than 16 "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Horton wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:mlennyma wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:obiero wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali! I fully concur with you. This is median attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium . Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation. even the way you spell ohana tells me you know nothing about kk Thanks for your timely correction. But unfortunately its not a bother to my banker. Only a meaningful sum of chums tickles the teller to afford me a smile. Boom. KES 13.8 prints. Glad I made it out in good time and condition Good for you as we get to 15 and beyond. I may have bought some of your shares. As of 7 Feb 2018 KQ trades at 16/- with a negative EPS. KK trades at 15/- with a positive EPS (2017) even after huge write-offs [KPRL, lawsuit and Segman] I expect a very good 2018. Kestrel [it is related to KK] is also bullish. I await a FY 2017 dividend of 30-50 cents. And an interim FY 2018 dividend. Kestrel are always bullish with anything Kenol. It maybe very well run as you assert but the net margins suck. Whats your end game? A buyout? It's good to acknowledge that KK and Kestrel have "ties". If KK can sustainably make an EPS of 2.50 that's a great ROI of 16.66% = (2.50/15.00)... I do not need a buy-out. Net Margins: Yes, they are low but that's common in the industry. This is a volume driven business not a "high value" business. It is certainly not Apple. With KK's re-entry into the OTS, the net margin may even drop further but volumes/revenues will increase. OTS cargoes have slim margins with a low chance of default due to the penalties imposed by MoE/ERC on the defaulters. that energy CS who hinted the end of price controls was retained, how soon can that happen and why did some players like kk want controls to stay.? Will oil and distribution remain under energy or mining and petroleum? That will shape the course of price control Reflection Eternal
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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Of late volume is speaking something "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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mlennyma wrote:Of late volume is speaking something Positive FY17 figures. Now the issue is to determine bonus or dividends for investors I can see Total touched 30 Kes as well.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,101 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@miennyma - KK knows how to successfully navigate the price controls... It gives them an advantage and so they prefer it that way.
I do not like price controls coz they distort the markets...
Why does GoK want to remove price controls? Simple. So they can shift the blame of higher fuel/retail prices to the OMCs in the wake of rising oil prices. With price controls, the higher oil prices are translated to higher pump prices, and ERC sets the prices, and OMCs prefer that to being accused of price gouging by ignorant consumers. Another price increase https://www.businessdail...4808-137h9y7/index.html The advantage OMCs have is that they need not be in the direct line of fire when prices rise. As long as ERC follows the formula the OMCs don't have to worry about a consumer/political backlash. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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