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Bigchick wrote:Someone help me understand James Aggrey Orengo.
I had the misfortune of watching him yesterday and was perturbed at his introduction of his own report different from what the court registrar had.The allegations therein were also extremely wild.
So what was that about?
Did he expect the others not to know?
What was his end game? mrembo,tunaezabonga?Leo usitutusi pliz.
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masukuma wrote:this is silly  So who is the mole? it appears that someone is replying/writing... like really? Thought so too.... though makes some good reading!!!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over,especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? De minis.....
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mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over, especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? you are missing the point.... Where a party alleges non-conformity with the electoral law, the petitioner must not only prove that there has been noncompliance with the law, but that such failure of compliance did affect the validity of the elections. there are 2 things at play here 1) compliance to the law/regulation 2) result of noncompliance affecting the results i.e. the will of the people not being heard as spoken. No one is saying that there were no mishaps... remember the election is not one event or act... it's an event/act carried out by over 300k staff across over 40k locations in the country and following the doctrine of "Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta" i.e. all OFFICIAL acts are deemed to have been conducted regularly and by the OFFICIAL duly required to do so. This means that 40,883 OFFICIAL acts of polling and counting were done as prescribed and are all assumed to be regular until identified as not being regular. 291 (290 + diaspora/prison) were deduced to have been conducted REGULARLY until proven otherwise. You cannot rubbish everything assumed to be regular on the basis of a technicality. NASA never made a claim that the results from those 3 coastal constituencies were irregular until they saw the form and said.. AHA! See!! There were no complainants on those results! All the stakeholders agreed and are not in dispute about those results - should the voice of the people of Likoni be invalidated because someone forgot to sign? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over, especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? you are missing the point.... Where a party alleges non-conformity with the electoral law, the petitioner must not only prove that there has been noncompliance with the law, but that such failure of compliance did affect the validity of the elections. there are 2 things at play here 1) compliance to the law/regulation 2) result of noncompliance affecting the results i.e. the will of the people not being heard as spoken. No one is saying that there were no mishaps... remember the election is not one event or act... it's an event/act carried out by over 300k staff across over 40k locations in the country and following the doctrine of "Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta" i.e. all OFFICIAL acts are deemed to have been conducted regularly and by the OFFICIAL duly required to do so. This means that 40,883 OFFICIAL acts of polling and counting were done as prescribed and are all assumed to be regular until identified as not being regular. 291 (290 + diaspora/prison) were deduced to have been conducted REGULARLY until proven otherwise. You cannot rubbish everything assumed to be regular on the basis of a technicality. NASA never made a claim that the results from those 3 coastal constituencies were irregular until they saw the form and said.. AHA! See!! There were no complainants on those results! All the stakeholders agreed and are not in dispute about those results - should the voice of the people of Likoni be invalidated because someone forgot to sign? weee!! wat was that again? Now,can u explain slowly in a language ordinary kenyans can understand? unasema nini?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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Some tips can help on this 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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mobutu123 wrote:masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over, especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? you are missing the point.... Where a party alleges non-conformity with the electoral law, the petitioner must not only prove that there has been noncompliance with the law, but that such failure of compliance did affect the validity of the elections. there are 2 things at play here 1) compliance to the law/regulation 2) result of noncompliance affecting the results i.e. the will of the people not being heard as spoken. No one is saying that there were no mishaps... remember the election is not one event or act... it's an event/act carried out by over 300k staff across over 40k locations in the country and following the doctrine of "Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta" i.e. all OFFICIAL acts are deemed to have been conducted regularly and by the OFFICIAL duly required to do so. This means that 40,883 OFFICIAL acts of polling and counting were done as prescribed and are all assumed to be regular until identified as not being regular. 291 (290 + diaspora/prison) were deduced to have been conducted REGULARLY until proven otherwise. You cannot rubbish everything assumed to be regular on the basis of a technicality. NASA never made a claim that the results from those 3 coastal constituencies were irregular until they saw the form and said.. AHA! See!! There were no complainants on those results! All the stakeholders agreed and are not in dispute about those results - should the voice of the people of Likoni be invalidated because someone forgot to sign? weee!! wat was that again? Now,can u explain slowly in a language ordinary kenyans can understand? unasema nini?  All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over, especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? you are missing the point.... Where a party alleges non-conformity with the electoral law, the petitioner must not only prove that there has been noncompliance with the law, but that such failure of compliance did affect the validity of the elections. there are 2 things at play here 1) compliance to the law/regulation 2) result of noncompliance affecting the results i.e. the will of the people not being heard as spoken. No one is saying that there were no mishaps... remember the election is not one event or act... it's an event/act carried out by over 300k staff across over 40k locations in the country and following the doctrine of "Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta" i.e. all OFFICIAL acts are deemed to have been conducted regularly and by the OFFICIAL duly required to do so. This means that 40,883 OFFICIAL acts of polling and counting were done as prescribed and are all assumed to be regular until identified as not being regular. 291 (290 + diaspora/prison) were deduced to have been conducted REGULARLY until proven otherwise. You cannot rubbish everything assumed to be regular on the basis of a technicality. NASA never made a claim that the results from those 3 coastal constituencies were irregular until they saw the form and said.. AHA! See!! There were no complainants on those results! All the stakeholders agreed and are not in dispute about those results - should the voice of the people of Likoni be invalidated because someone forgot to sign? weee!! wat was that again? Now,can u explain slowly in a language ordinary kenyans can understand? unasema nini? Na hii De minus was mentioned in court just on the day Joho was in attendance.
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washiku wrote:masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:masukuma wrote:mobutu123 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:The young lawyer for Ekuru Aukot is really good. He is not as eloquent and flamboyant as PLO Lumumba but on issues of law his presentation was solid and very well argued. His evidence was specific, accurate and verifiable. It is the kind of argument that the CEO of IEBC can make as required reading for his staff and would help to improve how future elections are conducted.
It will be interesting to hear how Justice Lenaola votes on the decision and to also read his opinion because the young lawyer really put him on the spot. It was his decision that inferred that if the process is flawed then the results are flawed as well. Well put.who is interested in looking at numbers from a flawed process?When Ngatia said that the problems were all over, especially in NASA strongholds, he was simply lending credence to orengo's assertions that the process was flawed.so who was bright here? you are missing the point.... Where a party alleges non-conformity with the electoral law, the petitioner must not only prove that there has been noncompliance with the law, but that such failure of compliance did affect the validity of the elections. there are 2 things at play here 1) compliance to the law/regulation 2) result of noncompliance affecting the results i.e. the will of the people not being heard as spoken. No one is saying that there were no mishaps... remember the election is not one event or act... it's an event/act carried out by over 300k staff across over 40k locations in the country and following the doctrine of "Omnia praesumuntur rite et solemniter esse acta" i.e. all OFFICIAL acts are deemed to have been conducted regularly and by the OFFICIAL duly required to do so. This means that 40,883 OFFICIAL acts of polling and counting were done as prescribed and are all assumed to be regular until identified as not being regular. 291 (290 + diaspora/prison) were deduced to have been conducted REGULARLY until proven otherwise. You cannot rubbish everything assumed to be regular on the basis of a technicality. NASA never made a claim that the results from those 3 coastal constituencies were irregular until they saw the form and said.. AHA! See!! There were no complainants on those results! All the stakeholders agreed and are not in dispute about those results - should the voice of the people of Likoni be invalidated because someone forgot to sign? weee!! wat was that again? Now,can u explain slowly in a language ordinary kenyans can understand? unasema nini? Na hii De minus was mentioned in court just on the day Joho was in attendance.  
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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NASA had said that Raila won with 8m votes with Uhuru having 7m votes...They said if the servers are opened, that info will be there. They also said Musando's passwords were in use even after his death. So after the opening of servers, what happened?
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