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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
maka
#721 Posted : Sunday, May 04, 2014 1:05:38 PM
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murchr wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
@maka, has PORK been chartering or has he been using regular flights? What has he been chartering - Embraer? Why would he charter and there is the Fokker? He did Europe on regular flights, I know because he flew together with my fare paying friend Benjamin Ochieng (God is not dead).


Never take this guy @maka seriously. I think ni kukosa kuelewa maana ya maneno mengine.

@Murchr ...thank you.@ GG Nairobi,Kigali then Turkey,UK used a chartered E190 you can take that to the bank had like 28 people on board,his plane was being serviced or something...to Brito he used commercial KQ.The other dreamliner checking in the next 30 minutes....
possunt quia posse videntur
maka
#722 Posted : Sunday, May 04, 2014 6:22:23 PM
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maka wrote:
murchr wrote:
Gordon
Gekko wrote:
@maka, has PORK been chartering or has he been using regular
flights? What has he been chartering - Embraer? Why would he charter and
there is the Fokker? He did Europe on regular flights, I know because
he flew together with my fare paying friend Benjamin Ochieng (God is not
dead).


Never take this guy @maka seriously. I think ni kukosa kuelewa maana ya
maneno mengine.

@Murchr ...thank you.@ GG Nairobi,Kigali then Turkey,UK used a chartered
E190 you can take that to the bank had like 28 people on board,his
plane was being serviced or something...to Brito he used commercial
KQ.The other dreamliner checking in the next 30 minutes....

sorry new 777-300 ,carries 420,compared to the 777-200 which carries 100 less.
possunt quia posse videntur
Museveni
#723 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2014 8:54:54 AM
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Summary

~ Experts say the airline could pay up to Sh14 billion in VAT for the six Boeing 787 Dreamliners and a Boeing 777-300 ER expected to arrive before the end of the year.
~ VAT poses a new challenge to the airline’s operations at a time it is struggling with high fuel costs, a dip in passenger numbers on some routes due to Kenya’s security concerns and stiff competition in the market.
~ Parliament last month introduced VAT on aeroplanes weighing more than 2,000 kilogrammes.
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VituVingiSana
#724 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2014 7:47:00 PM
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Dang! KQ is screwed. Even if KQ gets an exemption, it means a lot of lobbying and that costs money. After all lobbying MPs [& Treasury folks] means free flights + retreats + favors.

Anyway, KQ's current CEO and CFO do not really care coz they significant have no ownership stake!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#725 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2014 8:15:26 PM
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KQ doesnt have such money and government knows!! Government is idiotic but not to the extent of forcin through the tax. musikonde.. tulia muone VAT ikifutiliwa mbali
COOP, IMH, KEGN, KQ, MTNU
VituVingiSana
#726 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2014 9:17:31 PM
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obiero wrote:
KQ doesnt have such money and government knows!! Government is idiotic but not to the extent of forcin through the tax. musikonde.. tulia muone VAT ikifutiliwa mbali
Only after KQ chotas some freebies for the MPigs.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Gordon Gekko
#727 Posted : Monday, May 05, 2014 9:56:13 PM
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The tax can be recovered as input tax. The only problem is that it must be paid immediately but takes forever to recover so kq has to finance it. They can however argue that when the contract was signed the tax didn't exist, a weak argument but the commissioner-general can exercise latitude.
VituVingiSana
#728 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:09:42 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
The tax can be recovered as input tax. The only problem is that it must be paid immediately but takes forever to recover so kq has to finance it. They can however argue that when the contract was signed the tax didn't exist, a weak argument but the commissioner-general can exercise latitude.
KRA could seize the plane or other assets as well as freeze bank accounts AND impose penalties. So KQ is screwed since the refund will take ages to recover.

When KQ pays VAT on such purchases, can it 'sell' the VAT rebate/refund to another entity e.g. Nakumatt which can offset the VAT paid with VAT payable?

Nakumatt probably remits VAT [collected from final users/buyers] to KRA since its Input VAT is lower than Output VAT. Or does poor KQ need to become a retailer just so it can 'collect' VAT (from consumers) to offset its huge Input VAT?

Doesn't a Treasury rep sit on KQ's board? What was KQ doing when this Bill was being drafted?

Of course, the CEO was busy lobbying for another year on his contract to make sure the 787 gets delivered so he can claim 'success' and get a huge payoff [gratuity, etc] as a sendoff package!

@obiero - Pole sana. I am glad I stayed out. And I see little significant progress for KQ in the immediate future. Perhaps in 2015-16. The financing costs will kick in for KQ for both the planes and VAT. And the CEO's send-off package.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Akenyan2014
#729 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 2:51:53 PM
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Greetings, I have been a follower of wazua for a while, finally I have a membership ID. I agree with most arguments in the forum but on this one I think KQ is not paying the 14B in one lumpsum.They are getting 1 a/c every month and a new plane takes 2 to 3 months to go in service. That means by the time they acquire their 3rd aircraft they will already be generating revenues from the planes first bought(at lower fuel costs). Factoring this it is possible to fund VAT from those revenues without hurting the overall company financial position. Ndege zitajilipa, Kwani how do 'matatu' fleets come about? What I do not understand is how the share price will be in case the company comes out of loss making in June. Anybody?
Museveni
#730 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:14:11 PM
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Akenyan2014 wrote:
Greetings, I have been a follower of wazua for a while, finally I have a membership ID. I agree with most arguments in the forum but on this one I think KQ is not paying the 14B in one lumpsum.They are getting 1 a/c every month and a new plane takes 2 to 3 months to go in service. That means by the time they acquire their 3rd aircraft they will already be generating revenues from the planes first bought(at lower fuel costs). Factoring this it is possible to fund VAT from those revenues without hurting the overall company financial position. Ndege zitajilipa, Kwani how do 'matatu' fleets come about?

What I do not understand is how the share price will be in case the company comes out of loss making in June.


Anybody?


Karibu.
smile
How is the accounts office doing ama ni PR ? smile

Seriously though, that tax burden hawawezi..

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