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The KenolKobil 2015 pendulum
Pesa Nane
#1421 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:02:01 AM
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Civil Aviation Market Share
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Pesa Nane
#1422 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:03:51 AM
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Lubs Market Share
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VituVingiSana
#1423 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:20:33 AM
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[quote=obiero]@vvs please pay Jayantilal his KES 386,000,000 before KENO property is attached... http://www.businessdaily...57580-y2qasy/index.html[/quote]
Pesa ndogo. If owed, he will be paid. How's KQ doing paying its suppliers? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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VituVingiSana
#1424 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:22:46 AM
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obiero wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
obiero wrote:
@vvs please pay Jayantilal his KES 386,000,000 before KENO property is attached... http://www.businessdaily...57580-y2qasy/index.html

In 2015 AR, this was the comment on contingent liabilities;
Quote:
.30 Contingent liabilities
The Group is a defendant in various legal actions. In the opinion of the directors, after taking appropriate legal advice, the
outcome of such actions will not give rise to any significant loss.
The Company has also provided corporate guarantees in favour of subsidiaries and other entities to a maximum of US$ 12.5
million (2014: US $ 21.9 million).
In addition, at year end, the Company had transit bonds and performance guarantees totalling KShs 1.1 Billion (2014: KShs
831 million).
At every year end, the directors carry out an assessment to ensure that the Company has accounted for all its obligations
(both legal and constructive) in accordance with the requirements of IAS 37 (Provisions, Contingent Liabilities and Contingent
Assets). Based on the facts available at the time, a provision is recognised if it is deemed to be probable that a payment will
be required to be made to settle the obligation.


The impact will therefore depend on whether there was a provision for this award in past periods. In case no provision was made the impact will be a small loss of 26cts per share. (386M/1,500M).

@gatheuzi the issue is not the settlement amount but the lack of discipline by KQ management in prompt payment of determined obligations..
True, KQ should pay its suppliers on time. It's not surprising that many vendors don't want to supply KQ except on a COD basis.
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VituVingiSana
#1425 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:29:21 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Civil Aviation Market Share

That's 40% by just supplying "International Airlines" πŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌ KK does not supply deadbeats.
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mlennyma
#1426 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:20:10 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Civil Aviation Market Share

That's 40% by just supplying "International Airlines" πŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌ KK does not supply deadbeats.

this is very huge percentage grabbed by Kk, this man wants to grow maize on stones
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VituVingiSana
#1427 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:43:30 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
Civil Aviation Market Share

That's 40% by just supplying "International Airlines" πŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌπŸ‘πŸΌ KK does not supply deadbeats.

this is very huge percentage grabbed by Kk, this man wants to grow maize on stones

What does that even mean? πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
Ohana should grab all the aviation business that pays on time. I am happy he leaves the deadbeat customers for others. He said KK only supplies to "International Airlines" who pay within 2 weeks. Apparently, local "international" airline is not a customer.
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mlennyma
#1428 Posted : Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:03:42 PM
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http://www.businessdaily...n/539550-3857580-y2qasy/
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Realtreaty
#1429 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:18:06 AM
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A penalty to KK, but why the same judges do not offer for kk when wronged by pipeline and kprl? 290 million is catered for but can still be appealed.
mlennyma
#1430 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:34:24 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
A penalty to KK, but why the same judges do not offer for kk when wronged by pipeline and kprl? 290 million is catered for but can still be appealed.

did they step on somebody's eggs?
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#1431 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:01:20 PM
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Total Kenya continues to hold the largest market share in the oil marketing industry.

According to the latest report from Petroleum Institute of East Africa (PIEA) Total holds 16 percent of the market attributed to its presence in almost every major town in the country.

In the period ended December 2016 Vivo Energy came second at 15.9 percent, KenolKobil at 15.4 percent and Gulf Energy at 8.1 percent respectively.

While the top four marketing firms hold about 50 percent of the market share the remaining portion is spread across thirty other marketing firms.

PIEA chairman Powel Maimba said the demand of petroleum has seen consumption of petroleum energy increase by 7 percent to 6,323,405 in 2016 in comparison to 2015 which closed at 5,882,721.
β€œTotal has been leading over the years because they have big retail network, they have been there longer than everybody. They have established customers both commercial and retail. They also participate in aviation, lubricant in exports and they are in every part of the industry,” said Mr Maimba.

Total also commands a market in the LPG market share closing at 20.3 percent, Hashi Energy at 16.4 percent and Lake Gas at 14.1 percent and KenolKobil closing at 11.8 percent.
PIEA analyst Kelvin Odundo said once the proposed amendments to the LPG and lubricants business segments growth is expected in investment and increase in demand as well.

β€œLPG prices were significantly low. Last month they were averaging at Sh1,976. This price was last seen in 2009 and it’s attributable to zero rating. Reforms are needed in the lubricants business segment. The amendment as proposed by the industry will not only enable the efficient management of the lubricants industry but further reposition Kenya as a lubricant manufacturer and exporter,” said Mr Odundo.
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Realtreaty
#1432 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:33:21 PM
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smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html
mlennyma
#1433 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:55:26 PM
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Realtreaty wrote:
smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html

This man wants to eat this year's interim dividend alone,i don't think Kk can still pay interim dividend if compelled to pay this award
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VituVingiSana
#1434 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:01:01 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html

This man wants to eat this year's interim dividend alone,i don't think Kk can still pay interim dividend if compelled to pay this award

PAT for FY 2017 is expected to be 1.5bn less 300mn (KPRL) so even after paying Jayantilal 400mn there's still enough to pay something small BUT the award is being appealed so add another 6-12 months before it's back on the table. Ohana should settle this out of court & be done!
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sparkly
#1435 Posted : Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:21:44 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html

This man wants to eat this year's interim dividend alone,i don't think Kk can still pay interim dividend if compelled to pay this award

PAT for FY 2017 is expected to be 1.5bn less 300mn (KPRL) so even after paying Jayantilal 400mn there's still enough to pay something small BUT the award is being appealed so add another 6-12 months before it's back on the table. Ohana should settle this out of court & be done!


Read the stories again, there is no appeal. Case ended, Gosirani got the award. The only issue now is when and how KK will pay.
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mlennyma
#1436 Posted : Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:56:05 AM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html

This man wants to eat this year's interim dividend alone,i don't think Kk can still pay interim dividend if compelled to pay this award

PAT for FY 2017 is expected to be 1.5bn less 300mn (KPRL) so even after paying Jayantilal 400mn there's still enough to pay something small BUT the award is being appealed so add another 6-12 months before it's back on the table. Ohana should settle this out of court & be done!


Read the stories again, there is no appeal. Case ended, Gosirani got the award. The only issue now is when and how KK will pay.

I don't see how Kk can win a premature lease termination unless there are defaulting clauses ,segmans messes,they can only try to bring down the award size
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VituVingiSana
#1437 Posted : Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:17:23 PM
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sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
smile Yes....as I prophesied the penalty can be appealed and the same has come to be!!!!

http://www.businessdailyafrica....860654-686r6b/index.html

This man wants to eat this year's interim dividend alone,i don't think Kk can still pay interim dividend if compelled to pay this award

PAT for FY 2017 is expected to be 1.5bn less 300mn (KPRL) so even after paying Jayantilal 400mn there's still enough to pay something small BUT the award is being appealed so add another 6-12 months before it's back on the table. Ohana should settle this out of court & be done!


Read the stories again, there is no appeal. Case ended, Gosirani got the award. The only issue now is when and how KK will pay.

Then provide for it in 1H results and pay as and when it has to be paid. It's not pleasant but it's what it is. Jayantilal is lucky KK isn't broke like some firms!
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Pesa Nane
#1438 Posted : Friday, March 24, 2017 10:37:05 AM
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@VVS I overheard the tea-girls stating that the 13% guy is taking over the 4% guy. Other details?

Overall %age market share 2016.
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VituVingiSana
#1439 Posted : Friday, March 24, 2017 11:14:39 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
@VVS I overheard the tea-girls stating that the 13% guy is taking over the 4% guy. Other details?

Overall %age market share 2016.

It was in the papers. Total is buying out all of GAPCO's African retail businesses. KK has chosen to grow organically.
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Horton
#1440 Posted : Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:21:18 AM
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VVS et all, - just curious what you think this counter is worth and if you will ever exit?
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