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murchr
#691 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 8:25:34 PM
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limanika wrote:
BCG- I hear comparison of data btw BCG vaccinating and non BCG vaccinating countries is generating a lot of interest?



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limanika
#692 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 8:48:03 PM
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murchr wrote:
limanika wrote:
BCG- I hear comparison of data btw BCG vaccinating and non BCG vaccinating countries is generating a lot of interest?



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https://m.khaleejtimes.c...-to-fight-covid-19-study
tycho
#693 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06:02 PM
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We may need to simplify the model further so that if you get infected then you can only infect others tomorrow:

Day 0:1

Day 1: 2^3

Day 2: (2^3)×(2^3)=(2^6)

Day 3: (2^3)×(2^3)×(2^3)=(2^9)

Day 4: (2^3)×(2^3)×(2^3)×(2^3)=(2^12)

Inductively we can say for Day N:2^(3×N)

Meaning day5=(2^15)

Day 6=(2^18)

Day 7=(2^21)

By day 7 we should have the sum of all these days as active cases.

My math of course can be incorrect. Please check my assumptions and my calculation...

If I am correct, then a number like 2^21 for day 7 = 2,097,152 people.

Assuming the spread is of the magnitude stated - considering the model - do you suppose whole countries could go on lockdown and have such deaths as we are seeing?

Over to you, free citizen!
D32
#694 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 10:03:41 PM
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How do you get documents to allow you to do essential deliveries after 7pm?
They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
sqft
#695 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 10:48:21 PM
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Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
tycho
#696 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 11:55:20 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
This part is not getting enough attention
Nation wrote:
Ministry of Health Director General Dr Patrick Amoth said their preliminary modelling data showed that coronavirus cases by mid-April will hit 5,000, and rise to 10,000 by end of April in the absence of drastic intervention.


I have reason to doubt the correctness of this simulation. Going by the above model that we have generated, and assuming each person went to only 2 places:

Then day 7 would drop by say a factor of 256 giving us new infections of 8,192. If you do the same for all days then cumulative number has to be greater than 10K for a week.

Again if we assume a reproduction number of less than 2, tending towards 1; then we can't have an epidemic. And neither does the condition of going to only one new place with the same reproduction number suffice to have a pandemic.

Therefore the model used by the government is likely to be incorrect.
Shak
#697 Posted : Monday, March 30, 2020 11:58:35 PM
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limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
[quote=limanika]BCG- I hear comparison of data btw BCG vaccinating and non BCG vaccinating countries is generating a lot of interest?



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https://m.khaleejtimes.c...to-fight-covid-19-study[/quote]
Interesting. Europe and the US do not have mandatory BCG vaccination but most African countries do
tycho
#698 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:05:14 AM
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Shak wrote:
limanika wrote:
murchr wrote:
[quote=limanika]BCG- I hear comparison of data btw BCG vaccinating and non BCG vaccinating countries is generating a lot of interest?



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https://m.khaleejtimes.c...to-fight-covid-19-study[/quote]
Interesting. Europe and the US do not have mandatory BCG vaccination but most African countries do


Do the following countries have BCG vaccination: S Africa, China, S Korea, Uruguay and Tunisia?
sqft
#699 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:37:41 AM
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mpobiz
#700 Posted : Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:49:59 AM
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I have been trying to localize this coversation in vein. Every time I enter this thread there is a profet of Doom still counting bodies in Italy or more recently trying to predict the next week's deaths here in this country.. The other one is just upset that there is no more reggae.
Why can't we just try to hypothesize more on some events that are happening around us.
1. This outbreak has been here for 4 months now. Our first known case is now 3 weeks old now. When you look at the kitui case and the embakasi case both being priests reveals that that this disease might have landed earlier than we thought.
2.in UK there were even airport baggage hundlers and airport staff had caught the virus. How many of our staff are victims? Did the government concentrated more on the arriving passangers and forgot that customs ,immigration staff, cleaners etc also needed screening?
3.we now have an official recoverd case and I now hear of 3more on the way.
We are also recording of many close contacts of victims who have tested negative.
Then I come across something called herd immunity. Some coutries in Europe adopted it but some like UK have back tracked .
Are we experiencing herd immunity without a pre planned strategy to deal with this virus?
Let's be local and try to seek some local solutions while we discover local ways to deal with this thing.
I was amazed to see someone here suggest that rivatex or the factory in kitui produce protective gear only to hear the head of medical services echoe the same.
Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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