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murchr wrote:Ruto has a wonderful proposal.
Instead of a blanket 'Yes' or 'No', he proposes the constitutional changes be presented to the masses as propositions like in the US.
eg Question 1. Should we ammmend the constitution to include 400 more MPs in the parliament? Yes No
2. Do we introduce the office of the Judiciary ombudsman ? Yes No
3. Do we increase the County allocation from 15% to 35% Yes No
4. Do we need to create the office of the PM and official opposition in parliament?
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Then Kenyans will vote on whatever clauses of the constitution they need ammended.
I am assuming this is the same advisory Kivutha is seeking from the Supreme court.
Liberia did one juzi with 8 propositions. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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HaMaina wrote:BBI is mostly conplete nonsence, just made to please a few well connected individuals. If the county allocations are currently at 15% and are mostly being siphoned, then what will happen when they are at 30%. These counties should first account for what they have been allocated.uhuru and roto were both a big mistake in my view, but on this one i shall agree with ruto and refuse this bbi nonsense. Ill deal with him on election day next year. Devolution is working and this is the major sweetener in this BBINonsense. Counties are already getting over 30% of the revenue collected and therefore the impact will be minimal. Most people want more money to the counties. However increasing the MPs by 200 members incurring 0ver 3.5 Billions in salaries is ridiculous. Lets have multiple selections and select what we want. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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PeterReborn wrote:HaMaina wrote:BBI is mostly conplete nonsence, just made to please a few well connected individuals. If the county allocations are currently at 15% and are mostly being siphoned, then what will happen when they are at 30%. These counties should first account for what they have been allocated.uhuru and roto were both a big mistake in my view, but on this one i shall agree with ruto and refuse this bbi nonsense. Ill deal with him on election day next year. Devolution is working and this is the major sweetener in this BBINonsense. Counties are already getting over 30% of the revenue collected and therefore the impact will be minimal. Most people want more money to the counties. However increasing the MPs by 200 members incurring 0ver 3.5 Billions in salaries is ridiculous. Lets have multiple selections and select what we want. I agree with you that Devolution is working very for the common man. If the duo ruled before Devolution, the country would be kaput by now. Counties are receiving ~23% of revenue as per last audited accounts. Increasing it to 35% will mean all cash from Mins of Agriculture, Health and Youth being taken to the counties (these functions are already devolved, the cash at national level only being eaten).... Mybe Rao has a point here. On the mpigs, we can endure some small pain for the better good....
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Thitifini wrote:PeterReborn wrote:HaMaina wrote:BBI is mostly conplete nonsence, just made to please a few well connected individuals. If the county allocations are currently at 15% and are mostly being siphoned, then what will happen when they are at 30%. These counties should first account for what they have been allocated.uhuru and roto were both a big mistake in my view, but on this one i shall agree with ruto and refuse this bbi nonsense. Ill deal with him on election day next year. Devolution is working and this is the major sweetener in this BBINonsense. Counties are already getting over 30% of the revenue collected and therefore the impact will be minimal. Most people want more money to the counties. However increasing the MPs by 200 members incurring 0ver 3.5 Billions in salaries is ridiculous. Lets have multiple selections and select what we want. I agree with you that Devolution is working very for the common man. If the duo ruled before Devolution, the country would be kaput by now. Counties are receiving ~23% of revenue as per last audited accounts. Increasing it to 35% will mean all cash from Mins of Agriculture, Health and Youth being taken to the counties (these functions are already devolved, the cash at national level only being eaten).... Mybe Rao has a point here. On the mpigs, we can endure some small pain for the better good.... Agreed. Most of the thieving happens at the central government level, NYS, mafia house, SGR, Dams etc. Can you imagine what the 500 Billions used for white elephant SGR project could have done to the counties? The #BBINonsense might pass after all. The increment to the counties is enticing Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ile mchezo iko hii inchi  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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It was a joke from the beginning. It went too far by raising expectations and now here we are. What do we do with ourselves?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Iganamagana wrote:It was a joke from the beginning. It went too far by raising expectations and now here we are. What do we do with ourselves? Deep state is determined to get this thing through and will pass mpende msipende. Consistency is better than intensity
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PeterReborn wrote:Iganamagana wrote:It was a joke from the beginning. It went too far by raising expectations and now here we are. What do we do with ourselves? Deep state is determined to get this thing through and will pass mpende msipende. I was reading somewhere that if the MPs vote YES, then there is no referendum. A NO Vote is a vote for a referendum.... What nonsense!!! But I know deep down, it will not be effected even if MPs pass it... watch this space I Think Therefore I Am
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PeterReborn wrote:Iganamagana wrote:It was a joke from the beginning. It went too far by raising expectations and now here we are. What do we do with ourselves? Deep state is determined to get this thing through and will pass mpende msipende. Right. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Nyota zimejipanga A New Kenya
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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The judiciary making a key ruling today which will be the last huddle to passing this joke Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Thrown to the shredder. How much was wasted on this? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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murchr wrote:Thrown to the shredder. How much was wasted on this? I am sure they are already preparing for appeal. Or ignore the judicary like they did with the 41 judges and the dissolution of parliament. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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PeterReborn wrote:murchr wrote:Thrown to the shredder. How much was wasted on this? I am sure they are already preparing for appeal. Or ignore the judicary like they did with the 41 judges and the dissolution of parliament. Even if they ignore? Who will conduct the referendum? That Independent body called IEBC? They dont respond to the President. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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murchr wrote:PeterReborn wrote:murchr wrote:Thrown to the shredder. How much was wasted on this? I am sure they are already preparing for appeal. Or ignore the judicary like they did with the 41 judges and the dissolution of parliament. Even if they ignore? Who will conduct the referendum? That Independent body called IEBC? They dont respond to the President. The IEBC seems to be part of the executive and that is why the court found most of their actions illegal and irregular.They have contradicted most of their internal processes to appease the executive.They have not even met the quorum which now opens up all the by elections the 3 commissioners have conducted. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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PeterReborn wrote:murchr wrote:PeterReborn wrote:murchr wrote:Thrown to the shredder. How much was wasted on this? I am sure they are already preparing for appeal. Or ignore the judicary like they did with the 41 judges and the dissolution of parliament. Even if they ignore? Who will conduct the referendum? That Independent body called IEBC? They dont respond to the President. The IEBC seems to be part of the executive and that is why the court found most of their actions illegal and irregular.They have contradicted most of their internal processes to appease the executive.They have not even met the quorum which now opens up all the by elections the 3 commissioners have conducted. Pandora box! Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Fireworks at the court of appeal. It s truly # David versus Goriath. All the senior counsels and top legal minds are with the government. The under-dogs are doing a good work in presenting facts and defending the constitution. Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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PeterReborn wrote:Fireworks at the court of appeal.
It s truly # David versus Goriath.
All the senior counsels and top legal minds are with the government.
The under-dogs are doing a good work in presenting facts and defending the constitution. The judgement from CoA will be delivered on the 20th August. The deadline for changing the constituencies is 9th August and therefore this thing is as dead as dodo. Rest in Peace BBI Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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PeterReborn wrote:Fireworks at the court of appeal.
It s truly # David versus Goriath.
All the senior counsels and top legal minds are with the government.
The under-dogs are doing a good work in presenting facts and defending the constitution. Goriath ndio nani? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:PeterReborn wrote:Fireworks at the court of appeal.
It s truly # David versus Goriath.
All the senior counsels and top legal minds are with the government.
The under-dogs are doing a good work in presenting facts and defending the constitution. Goriath ndio nani? Ni bouncer hapo muranga town. Politics is just things to keep the people divided and foolish and put your trust in men and none of them can do nothing for you...
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