Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
New NYS Scandal
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
Sammy Mbugua Mwangi - takes plea on all other counts but fails to take plea for count no. 15 because the name listed there is Sammy Mbugua WO the Mwangi. He doesnt want to take a plea for "another person".  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,919
|
Best way is to let related cases be prosecuted & heard by different prosecutors and judges, not one individual handling all cases. That would up the stake!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
Angelica _ann wrote:Best way is to let related cases be prosecuted & heard by different prosecutors and judges, not one individual handling all cases. That would up the stake!!! The DPP mentioned 4 special prosecutors, but as for the judge, that is up to the registra of the court "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
All accused have been taken back to custody, bail hearing June 5th (Judge said its unfortunate that June 1 is a holiday) "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
|
Ngiwaco enterprises I care!
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
|
Every accused gets a copy "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
|
These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape. I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. BBI will solve it :)
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
|
2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. They could be guilty of unjust(unlawful) enrichment Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
|
2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. There was a time I explained how people loot in public offices. It never starts with the clerk. There's always a board meeting. They are the ones who decide how many towels shall be bought and which road to pretend to build. They then go to Treasury to ask for a budget allocation. Treasury approves. They then go and issue tenders. You see them in the newspapers. But the board approves who wins the tender. After all, they are the ones who decided which fake goods to buy or not buy. Then the siphoning begins. There is no way a towel can be 100k and the people in that board room have no idea. It is impossible. A gum boot for 30k cannot pass the board room. So these Kaburas and Ngiritas are then thrown in as red herrings. Someone that the fake Nation Newspapers can write headlines about. The real money was stolen in the board room. The board knows who got what. CBK knows which accounts got money. And treasury would never agree to pay for 100k towels unless they were in on it. Akina lawyers will eat all that remained in that loot. Always start with the person who came up with the idea of the "project" in the first place. Remember this guy who was juzi complaining that jubilee was formed in his house? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
|
kaka2za wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. They could be guilty of unjust(unlawful) enrichment At what point does enrichment stop being just and becomes unjust? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 921
|
masukuma wrote:kaka2za wrote:[quote=2012]
They could be guilty of unjust(unlawful) enrichment At what point does enrichment stop being just and becomes unjust? The day you start pinching.....even if you are day old. Meantime, i find peace in having those thieves in custody for one week. That should give them a real life glimpse of what awaits them. Kudos to the judge,DPP and his team.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
|
It is now becoming clear that it is a 468 million (NOT 10 billion) scandal and the person who discovered and ordered the arrest is non-other than Uhuru Kenyatta,  "Financial Genius", if you add the other NYS scandal 749 billion, total lost at NYS is now KES 1.2 billion, i think soon it will be impossible to steal from Gava thanks to its cashless approach etc. Meru Holiness
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
|
Most county garment are performing worse than the central government when it comes to comparative amounts of cash lost to corruption, this is simply ridiculous, focus on your MCA's and gafanaz, those are the thieves you elected now. Meru Holiness
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. You have a point there. They might be "safi kama pamba" as per the law because the paperwork is ok. Even the one said to have supplied air may walk free because the charge sheet reads that on “diverse dates between January 19, 2015 and June 12, 2017 in Nairobi, they fraudulently acquired property worth Sh59,846,750 as payment to Ann Wanjiku Ngirita of Annwaw Investment for goods not supplied”. On paper, she was supposed to supply foodstuff, stationery, hammers and firewood. The prosecution will have to prove that no firewood, beans etc were supplied, and yet NYS generated payment vouchers which only happens after NYS confirms within its systems that there was a tender and goods were supplied. It's important to note that the scandal is "old" coz the money was paid between 2015 and june 2017, before last elections. Is NYS 2 related to 2017 elections?
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
|
hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. You have a point there. They might be "safi kama pamba" as per the law because the paperwork is ok. Even the one said to have supplied air may walk free because the charge sheet reads that on “diverse dates between January 19, 2015 and June 12, 2017 in Nairobi, they fraudulently acquired property worth Sh59,846,750 as payment to Ann Wanjiku Ngirita of Annwaw Investment for goods not supplied”. On paper, she was supposed to supply foodstuff, stationery, hammers and firewood. The prosecution will have to prove that no firewood, beans etc were supplied. It's important to note that the scandal is "old" coz the money was paid between 2015 and june 2017, before last elections. Is NYS 2 related to 2017 elections? Looks like a water and air tight case to me, investigations are quite thourough. What some call an "open and closed" case. Court is formality here. Meru Holiness
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
|
Much Know wrote:hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. You have a point there. They might be "safi kama pamba" as per the law because the paperwork is ok. Even the one said to have supplied air may walk free because the charge sheet reads that on “diverse dates between January 19, 2015 and June 12, 2017 in Nairobi, they fraudulently acquired property worth Sh59,846,750 as payment to Ann Wanjiku Ngirita of Annwaw Investment for goods not supplied”. On paper, she was supposed to supply foodstuff, stationery, hammers and firewood. The prosecution will have to prove that no firewood, beans etc were supplied. It's important to note that the scandal is "old" coz the money was paid between 2015 and june 2017, before last elections. Is NYS 2 related to 2017 elections? Looks like a water and air tight case to me, investigations are quite thourough. What some call an "open and closed" case. Court is formality here. Also noting that government pays only after goods and services are delivered. Only engineering contracts get a percentage commitment fee in advance (if things haven't changed),the rest you go to banks & shylocks to get a loan and then pay later after you are paid. So how IFMIS paid before verification of goods were delivered... sijui. BBI will solve it :)
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
Much Know wrote:hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. You have a point there. They might be "safi kama pamba" as per the law because the paperwork is ok. Even the one said to have supplied air may walk free because the charge sheet reads that on “diverse dates between January 19, 2015 and June 12, 2017 in Nairobi, they fraudulently acquired property worth Sh59,846,750 as payment to Ann Wanjiku Ngirita of Annwaw Investment for goods not supplied”. On paper, she was supposed to supply foodstuff, stationery, hammers and firewood. The prosecution will have to prove that no firewood, beans etc were supplied. It's important to note that the scandal is "old" coz the money was paid between 2015 and june 2017, before last elections. Is NYS 2 related to 2017 elections? Looks like a water and air tight case to me, investigations are quite thourough. What some call an "open and closed" case. Court is formality here. All the payments are backed by documents. And the court will rely on documents to make a judgement. Therefore the judge will ask: 1. Was the supplier among NYS approved suppliers? Answer Yes. 2. Was the tender advertised? Yes. 3. Did NYS award the tender? Yes. 4. Are there minutes of meeting awarding tender? Yes. 5. Were goods/services received? Yes. 6. Was payment made? Yes. Not that I am supporting the "theft" but that is the fact as per the law. Also each company bids alone, and therefore if you quote that you will sell gumboots to NYS at 5,000 each pair, and you are awarded the tender after NYS has reviewed all bids, then you haven't committed any crime. Just like you cant jail Kempinski CEO for selling his tusker at 500 bob when everyone knows it costs 150 hapo river road. Note that there is always a disclaimer in tender documents that the tenderer isn't bound to accept the lowest bid.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
2012 wrote:Much Know wrote:hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. You have a point there. They might be "safi kama pamba" as per the law because the paperwork is ok. Even the one said to have supplied air may walk free because the charge sheet reads that on “diverse dates between January 19, 2015 and June 12, 2017 in Nairobi, they fraudulently acquired property worth Sh59,846,750 as payment to Ann Wanjiku Ngirita of Annwaw Investment for goods not supplied”. On paper, she was supposed to supply foodstuff, stationery, hammers and firewood. The prosecution will have to prove that no firewood, beans etc were supplied. It's important to note that the scandal is "old" coz the money was paid between 2015 and june 2017, before last elections. Is NYS 2 related to 2017 elections? Looks like a water and air tight case to me, investigations are quite thourough. What some call an "open and closed" case. Court is formality here. Also noting that government pays only after goods and services are delivered. Only engineering contracts get a percentage commitment fee in advance (if things haven't changed),the rest you go to banks & shylocks to get a loan and then pay later after you are paid. So how IFMIS paid before verification of goods were delivered... sijui. All the payments are backed by documents. And the court will rely on documents to make a judgement. Therefore the judge will ask: 1. Was the supplier among NYS approved suppliers? Answer Yes. 2. Was the tender advertised? Yes. 3. Did NYS award the tender? Yes. 4. Are there minutes of meeting awarding tender? Yes. 5. Were goods/services received? Yes. 6. Was payment made? Yes. Not that I am supporting the "theft" but that is the fact as per the law. Also each company bids alone, and therefore if you quote that you will sell gumboots to NYS at 5,000 each pair, and you are awarded the tender after NYS has reviewed all bids, then you haven't committed any crime. Just like you cant jail Kempinski CEO for selling his tusker at 500 bob when everyone knows it costs 150 hapo river road. Note that there is always a disclaimer in tender documents that the tenderer isn't bound to accept the lowest bid.
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
|
alma1 wrote:2012 wrote:These tenderpreneurs are all innocent of the crimes they are charged with if we're to follow the law. The guilty party is the people behind making the payments. The 7 people or so making the payments, but each verified the vendor's papers and the goods supplied and okayed the payments. Now some 'vendors' did not even apply for the tender, that just found cash in their accounts. Maybe the only thing you can charge them with is not remitting taxes and that is assuming that they did not remit. There are too may loopholes for these criminals to get away. There's no way they could have created an elaborate scheme to loot and no door to get out after. Even a building is built with an emergency, fire escape.
I fully agree with what Amollo Otiende said, that NYS was reintroduced as a looting basket for elections. Hi ni 2022 manenos. There was a time I explained how people loot in public offices. It never starts with the clerk. There's always a board meeting. They are the ones who decide how many towels shall be bought and which road to pretend to build. They then go to Treasury to ask for a budget allocation. Treasury approves. They then go and issue tenders. You see them in the newspapers. But the board approves who wins the tender. After all, they are the ones who decided which fake goods to buy or not buy. Then the siphoning begins. There is no way a towel can be 100k and the people in that board room have no idea. It is impossible. A gum boot for 30k cannot pass the board room. So these Kaburas and Ngiritas are then thrown in as red herrings. Someone that the fake Nation Newspapers can write headlines about. The real money was stolen in the board room. The board knows who got what. CBK knows which accounts got money. And treasury would never agree to pay for 100k towels unless they were in on it. Akina lawyers will eat all that remained in that loot. Always start with the person who came up with the idea of the "project" in the first place. Remember this guy who was juzi complaining that jubilee was formed in his house? You have explained it very well. Those govt officers are the cartels. Then they wait hapo basement for ngirita to withdraw the millions and hand in the money to them in gunias. And she is paid some "facilitation fee".
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Politics
»
New NYS Scandal
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|