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DJ CK, It will be well...
hardwood
#61 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2018 9:09:57 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Also DJ CK has given back by employing hundreds in his companies instead of stashing the billions in swiss accounts. His companies also pay millions in taxes, money that supports govt programmes eg health, education, water etc etc. Sasa munataka DJ afanye nini ingine sasa?

I think your definition of 'giving back' is warped. My definition would entail projects that do not enrich him even more. Like setting up a hospice to give free health care. Employing people and paying taxes is NOT giving back


As I said earlier he had the option of stashing his billions abroad and live happily ever after, like many do, but he opted to invest locally and create employment that supports thousands directly and indirectly. Giving back isn't just about donations and charity.

https://www.nytimes.com/...-meaning-of-giving-back

You have written and quoted nothing there. Shame on you That is rat mentality. If I bite you, then blow on your wound, I'm 'giving back'? This because I have the option of biting and walking away?d'oh!

For your information, stashing money locally or abroad doesn't make economic sense. Those doing it are only financially illiterate. Your Okemos and Gichurus. You make more money by working the money you have. I will repeat it, doing business (employing people) and paying taxes is NOT giving back.


Ati giving back? What did we give CK in the 1st place?


I would love to read @Hardwood's reply to that too. From my recollection of Kenatco, Uchumi na kadhalika, he took what wasn't his. To turn around and say that he's 'given back' is an atrocity


Took what and from whom? Has he ever been CONVICTED of any crime? Stop peddling malicious rumours. You should know that his companies/investments in haco industries, centum, 2 rivers etc have been doing very well making him billions.


Talking of convictions,were Rasta Matheri,Wacucu,Wanugu,Wakinyonga ever convicted? What of Pattni? Does it mean they were innocent?

There is a Kikuyu saying 'Kihooto ti maa'...loosely translated it means arguing a point strongly and justifying it does not mean it is the truth.


Just because KQ, Uchumi etc have gone down does it mean Ngunze and Kipngetich have stolen? A business can go down due to market forces.


We know about KQ. Please educate us on the 'market forces' that affected Uchumi.


Kirubi has never been a CEO of Uchumi. He was just a shareholder like any other kenyan and also suffered when the company went under. Infact he suffered more than any other kenyan coz he had so many shares there.


Kirubi was not just a shareholder at Uchumi and you know that!!!


He was a super shareholder and that is why he was elected a (non executive) director/chairman by the other shareholders. Why should someone kill a company where he has a huge stake?
Angelica _ann
#62 Posted : Monday, March 19, 2018 9:48:10 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
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hardwood wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
hardwood wrote:
Also DJ CK has given back by employing hundreds in his companies instead of stashing the billions in swiss accounts. His companies also pay millions in taxes, money that supports govt programmes eg health, education, water etc etc. Sasa munataka DJ afanye nini ingine sasa?

I think your definition of 'giving back' is warped. My definition would entail projects that do not enrich him even more. Like setting up a hospice to give free health care. Employing people and paying taxes is NOT giving back


As I said earlier he had the option of stashing his billions abroad and live happily ever after, like many do, but he opted to invest locally and create employment that supports thousands directly and indirectly. Giving back isn't just about donations and charity.

https://www.nytimes.com/...-meaning-of-giving-back

You have written and quoted nothing there. Shame on you That is rat mentality. If I bite you, then blow on your wound, I'm 'giving back'? This because I have the option of biting and walking away?d'oh!

For your information, stashing money locally or abroad doesn't make economic sense. Those doing it are only financially illiterate. Your Okemos and Gichurus. You make more money by working the money you have. I will repeat it, doing business (employing people) and paying taxes is NOT giving back.


Ati giving back? What did we give CK in the 1st place?


I would love to read @Hardwood's reply to that too. From my recollection of Kenatco, Uchumi na kadhalika, he took what wasn't his. To turn around and say that he's 'given back' is an atrocity


Took what and from whom? Has he ever been CONVICTED of any crime? Stop peddling malicious rumours. You should know that his companies/investments in haco industries, centum, 2 rivers etc have been doing very well making him billions.


Talking of convictions,were Rasta Matheri,Wacucu,Wanugu,Wakinyonga ever convicted? What of Pattni? Does it mean they were innocent?

There is a Kikuyu saying 'Kihooto ti maa'...loosely translated it means arguing a point strongly and justifying it does not mean it is the truth.


Just because KQ, Uchumi etc have gone down does it mean Ngunze and Kipngetich have stolen? A business can go down due to market forces.


We know about KQ. Please educate us on the 'market forces' that affected Uchumi.


Kirubi has never been a CEO of Uchumi. He was just a shareholder like any other kenyan and also suffered when the company went under. Infact he suffered more than any other kenyan coz he had so many shares there.


Kirubi was not just a shareholder at Uchumi and you know that!!!


He was a super shareholder and that is why he was elected a (non executive) director/chairman by the other shareholders. Why should someone kill a company where he has a huge stake?


Sawa, lakini mwizi ni mwizi regardless. Well known Kenyan chief thief!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
masukuma
#63 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:48:12 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kaka2za
#64 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:54:26 AM
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masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.



And what ain't illegal is not necessarily ethical
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
masukuma
#65 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:43:19 AM
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kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.



And what ain't illegal is not necessarily ethical

if it ain't written down it's a shifting goal post. what is the right price to sell say a bag of cement? what is the 'ethical' profit margin? it's all very subjective! I say... unless it's written down in law - it doesn't bind people. it's being 'nice' so that you don't offend people.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
kaka2za
#66 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:29:00 PM
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masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.



And what ain't illegal is not necessarily ethical

if it ain't written down it's a shifting goal post. what is the right price to sell say a bag of cement? what is the 'ethical' profit margin? it's all very subjective! I say... unless it's written down in law - it doesn't bind people. it's being 'nice' so that you don't offend people.


Most of the public resources were looted legally. It was legal for PORK to allocate you karura forest or Nyayo stadium for example.
Bad laws are worse than no law. Our customs were not written and they governed societies quite well. Remember the animal farm anology where laws were changed to suit the oppressors.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
masukuma
#67 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:22:38 PM
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kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.



And what ain't illegal is not necessarily ethical

if it ain't written down it's a shifting goal post. what is the right price to sell say a bag of cement? what is the 'ethical' profit margin? it's all very subjective! I say... unless it's written down in law - it doesn't bind people. it's being 'nice' so that you don't offend people.


Most of the public resources were looted legally. It was legal for PORK to allocate you karura forest or Nyayo stadium for example.

then it was not 'looting' it was allocation! same way you would be allocated land in some other random place. The law is our only guide - if it ain't in the law... don't expect me to follow it. you can bitch about it coz you have a voice but don't expect me not to exploit a weakness in the system because your sense of ethics will be insulted.
Was Patni ever convicted? if not... what he did was legal! it's that simple!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#68 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:25:15 PM
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by the way... who is to judge that
Quote:
Our customs were not written and they governed societies quite well

really? why do you say that? what did our societies do that was remarkable other than stay alive like any other society?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Mukiri
#69 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:04:03 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
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masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
Show me one billionaire in Kenya who made his money without some 'fishy deals'.

if it ain't illegal... no one becomes a billionaire by being nice! you must exploit something and ruthlessly so! no billionaire is a nice guy! being nice is not the same as being good.



And what ain't illegal is not necessarily ethical

if it ain't written down it's a shifting goal post. what is the right price to sell say a bag of cement? what is the 'ethical' profit margin? it's all very subjective! I say... unless it's written down in law - it doesn't bind people. it's being 'nice' so that you don't offend people.


Most of the public resources were looted legally. It was legal for PORK to allocate you karura forest or Nyayo stadium for example.

then it was not 'looting' it was allocation! same way you would be allocated land in some other random place. The law is our only guide - if it ain't in the law... don't expect me to follow it. you can bitch about it coz you have a voice but don't expect me not to exploit a weakness in the system because your sense of ethics will be insulted.
Was Patni ever convicted? if not... what he did was legal! it's that simple!

So it is ok for you is @Swenani organizes a rendezvous with your wife? It is not illegal.

Sharks are buying maize from Uganda @1,800, selling it to NPCB @3,200 for Wanjiku to buy the 70 bob maize @200Sad

Proverbs 19:21
Fyatu
#70 Posted : Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:30:00 PM
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The fact of the matter is that when Jomo Kenyatta and others were at University in London and Uganda in the 1930's most wazuans grandfathers were illiterate hunters and gatherers walking naked chasing after antelopes and wild rats and eating figs with no foresight of what the future would be.By 1930, guys like old Jomo were already conversant with ideas of land and labour as factors of production. In these early days, the so called thieves had already grasped the concept of wealth in the context of the 19th century world while their peers in Kenyan hinterland still believed that wealth was all about how many wives one had etc.

I can wager 100% that if my grandfather was an educated man in the 1930's then, today i(his descendant) would be a member of Kenya's aristocrat class of akina Odinga, Kenyatta, Moi and others. Furthermore, i can wager that jealous wazuans would be calling my grandfather a thief for being in the right place(educated) at the right time(when resources were abundant and people were ignorant and only focused on witchcraft and other retrogressive activities)...Seeing that CK is 80 years old, i would imagine by 1963 he was already a man with his senses and ambition.One hundred bob invested in 1963 compounded at a modest 5% per annum would make him a millionaire today.
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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