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I wonder who is a burden to the state then All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Here is the DATA: 1. Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments. 2. The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality 3. Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments. 4. At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens. 5. Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury. 6. With many state budgets in deficit, policymakers have an obligation to look for ways to reduce the fiscal burden of illegal migration. California, facing a budget deficit of $14.4 billion, is hit with an estimated $21.8 billion in annual expenditures on illegal aliens. New York’s $6.8 billion deficit is smaller than its $9.5 billion in yearly illegal alien costs. 7. Illegal immigrants in fact absorb far more in benefits than they contribute. The Heritage Foundation in 2013 found that illegals contribute an average of $10,000 in total taxes (federal and payroll as well as local taxes) but use almost $24,000 in welfare and services, creating a net $14,000 per capita gain per illegal worker. With benefits like that -- and a president determined to shower even more on them -- it's little wonder the world's impoverished feel the red carpet is out for them to come here illegally. http://www.fairus.org/pu...united-states-taxpayers
 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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DATA regarding refugees (including the 85,000 from Syria Hillary wants to bring in): 1. US taxpayers will hand over around $20,000 to settle each “refugee” and “asylum seeker,” coming to America. 2. The “refugees” are immediately eligible for cash welfare, food stamps, housing, and medical aid to the value of $19,884 on each refugee the US takes in. 3. On average, each Middle Eastern refugee resettled in the United States costs an estimated $64,370 in the first five years, or $257,481 per household. 4. That number is set to jump further if Obama succeeds in his attempts to bring in an additional 10,000 “Syrian” refugees this year. The number will jump even further when Hillary brings in her proposed 85,000 refugees per year. 5. For what it costs to resettle one Middle Eastern refugee in the United States for five years, about 12 refugees can be helped in the Middle East for five years, or 61 refugees can be helped for one year. 6. Very heavy use of welfare programs by Middle Eastern refugees, and the fact that they have only 10.5 years of education on average, makes it likely that it will be many years, if ever, before this population will cease to be a net fiscal drain on public coffers — using more in public services than they pay in taxes. 7. Refugees are admitted for humanitarian reasons, not because they are supposed to be self-sufficient, so the drain on public coffers that refugees create is expected to continue for many many years. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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How does this work, how does an undocumented/illegal immigrant pay tax, aren't they legitimized through the very same taxation? "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:How does this work, how does an undocumented/illegal immigrant pay tax, aren't they legitimized through the very same taxation? Tax code for the rich isn't the same as the code for middle class. These codes are the problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:How does this work, how does an undocumented/illegal immigrant pay tax, aren't they legitimized through the very same taxation? nope!! http://money.cnn.com/201...onomy/immigration-myths/All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. When Kenya says "we will thoroughly screen all immigrants in the country and those coming in" and we go ahead and round them up in Kasarani stadium for screening we are all happy. When Trump proposes less radical checks on immigrants you call him all manner of unprintable names. Do kenyans want to pretend that their lives are more important than those of Americans? #AmericanLivesMatter.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Walls and trenches (those who don't build walls build trenches, or both) are very important in that it ensures "most traffic" cross in designated areas where they can be screened. The wall is particularly important in a town like mandera where half of the town is in kenya and half in somalia. The Berlin wall worked, the Israeli wall is working and so the Kenyan and US walls will work too. We are not reinventing the wheel. Saving even one life from criminals coming from across the border is a major achievement. You can't put monetary value on human lives.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Walls and trenches (those who don't build walls build trenches, or both) are very important in that it ensures "most traffic" cross in designated areas where they can be screened. The wall is particularly important in a town like mandera where half of the town is in kenya and half in somalia. The Berlin wall worked, the Israeli wall is working and so the Kenyan and US walls will work too. We are not reinventing the wheel. Saving even one life from criminals coming from across the border is a major achievement. You can't put monetary value on human lives. yeah... why don't you spend that cash where it really saves lives. Terrorism has killed 900 people in kenya since 2000 - that is 16 years!! that figure includes the Karaos and Soldiers..... In Kenya have more people dying from DROWNING All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. FYI - that is on "african" soil. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Walls and trenches (those who don't build walls build trenches, or both) are very important in that it ensures "most traffic" cross in designated areas where they can be screened. The wall is particularly important in a town like mandera where half of the town is in kenya and half in somalia. The Berlin wall worked, the Israeli wall is working and so the Kenyan and US walls will work too. We are not reinventing the wheel. Saving even one life from criminals coming from across the border is a major achievement. You can't put monetary value on human lives. Me, I cannot accept to climb over a wall, any wall. I will live and die here! Whether as fast as when shot or as long as pining away in hunger. I accept walls are important to those who build them and I have no superior opinion over theirs about their walls. After all, what is so good about their lands that I must climb over a wall to get a piece of it? We should accept our lands with all the good and bad of it and work from within to make it better. Climbing over walls solves nothing!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. FYI - that is on "african" soil. @harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. FYI - that is on "african" soil. @harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from. that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. FYI - that is on "african" soil. @harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from. that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating. Two things: 1) No human should treat the other as seen on those videos. arrest them and return them in a humane manner. 2) The future of Africans well being lies squarely on their shoulders. It's up to us to build a vibrant economy and lift ourselves. Not running away from ourselves. Nobody is going to do it for us. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:masukuma wrote:harrydre wrote:masukuma wrote:hardwood wrote:When Kenya says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe", everyone applauds.
When Trump utters the same words and says "We will build a wall on the border to keep our country safe" everyone goes berserk calling Trump all manner of names - racist, mad, dumb etc.
Why the double standards? Trump has every right to secure the US just like we have a right to secure Kenya. I have never thought building a wall in kenya is bright!! I think it's dumb to build a wall the length of the road from Mombasa to Mau Summit!! in a country where 900 people have been killed in terrorist attacks since 2000 compared to almost 3000 on our roads... it's DUMB!! Building of walls appeal to dumb nationalistic (parochial/naive) sentiments! who here thinks that a person who has walked/travelled hundreds of kilometers will be stopped by a f*cking wall? Sick video to watch. We need bridges not walls..pale blue dot. FYI - that is on "african" soil. @harrydre even if someone is poor he does not let his kids go and seek refuge in his rich neighbours house. Or beg his neighbour to "build bridges" for ease of movt of the poor kids. Kila mtu anakaa kwake. Let those "kids" (refugees) be taken back to wherever they came from. that is where i differ with you - i believe these "reasons" and "laws" are just social constructs... all made up!! if i am going to die here or i really see no way out - nitakuja kwako kama watu wanakula. it's not even based on "race" or "ethnicity". it's at a very individual level.... i cannot look at the face of my hungry child and tow the line because you have a fence or gate. I will be driven by the same drive that has been behind migration of people for hundred of thousands of years - the promise of a better life. migration is as human as eating. Two things: 1) No human should treat the other as seen on those videos. arrest them and return them in a humane manner. 2) The future of Africans well being lies squarely on their shoulders. It's up to us to build a vibrant economy and lift ourselves. Not running away from ourselves. Nobody is going to do it for us. Leaders,African leaders have betrayed their own people . Look at a country like Gambia ,they have the most petty ,dictatorial dictator worse than Idd Amin called Yahya Jammeh but he is still there and the same people keep helping him rig elections . Sometimes I say apart from the middle east abuses going on ,Kenya is a little better than some African countries .we never see Kenyan captured going to Greece ?usually Ethiopians ,Eritreans, zimbabwean, Gambian and other African countries that are suffering . Africa has to raise it's economy to stop this non sense going on honestly. I don't know how those leaders feel when they see their people dying to leave their country ... my conscience would bother me if I was such a leader .
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Tim Kaine has taken this debate. Pence is so nonchalant and boring. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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