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Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform.
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Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. @Alba, your argument has one major flaw, it is rational. You have assumed that Latino voters are rational people and that they only vote on issues and that their major issue is immigration. That may be so but I would want to suggest that all people and that includes Latinos vote more on emotion than clear cut rational issues and that is why campaigns are so important. The candidate that people "feel" best wins and it is here that Jeb IF he gets to be the Republican candidate will have a big advantage over Hillary in winning the Latinos. Not because of his wife but because he speaks their language. He speaks Spanish fluently. Latinos in the US live in a parallel country with the rest of the people there. They speak their own language, watch their own TV stations and listen to their own radios. There are so many Latinos who are citizens of the US and have lived there most of their lives but don't speak English and because they only interact with their own they live very comfortably and do not lack for anything. Jeb, IF he becomes a candidate will be the first presidential candidate who will be able to speak to them in their own language. You can be sure he will give an interview to every major Latino radio and TV station and like Mandela said when a man speaks to you in a language you understand he speaks to your mind but when he speaks to you in your own language he speaks to your heart. That is why even young children will for years forget everything that Obama said but will always remember that he said "Niaje wasee" and "Hawayuni" He could say everything Hillary says in English in Spanish and that will make all the difference. The Latinos in the US are from different places so they speak with different accents and different dialects but I am told that even by Latino standards Jeb learnt proper Spanish so he speaks Spanish sanifu and they enjoy listening to it just the way all Kenyans who speak bad Kiswahili enjoy listening to Swaleh Mdoes Kiswahili sanifu. It also helps that his stand on immigration is Latino friendly. In my opinion Jeb Bush will have a harder task winning the Republican Party Nomination than winning the general election. IF he is the GOP candidate he will be president.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Kusadikika wrote:Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. @Alba, your argument has one major flaw, it is rational. You have assumed that Latino voters are rational people and that they only vote on issues and that their major issue is immigration. That may be so but I would want to suggest that all people and that includes Latinos vote more on emotion than clear cut rational issues and that is why campaigns are so important. The candidate that people "feel" best wins and it is here that Jeb IF he gets to be the Republican candidate will have a big advantage over Hillary in winning the Latinos. Not because of his wife but because he speaks their language. He speaks Spanish fluently. Latinos in the US live in a parallel country with the rest of the people there. They speak their own language, watch their own TV stations and listen to their own radios. There are so many Latinos who are citizens of the US and have lived there most of their lives but don't speak English and because they only interact with their own they live very comfortably and do not lack for anything. Jeb, IF he becomes a candidate will be the first presidential candidate who will be able to speak to them in their own language. You can be sure he will give an interview to every major Latino radio and TV station and like Mandela said when a man speaks to you in a language you understand he speaks to your mind but when he speaks to you in your own language he speaks to your heart. That is why even young children will for years forget everything that Obama said but will always remember that he said "Niaje wasee" and "Hawayuni" He could say everything Hillary says in English in Spanish and that will make all the difference. The Latinos in the US are from different places so they speak with different accents and different dialects but I am told that even by Latino standards Jeb learnt proper Spanish so he speaks Spanish sanifu and they enjoy listening to it just the way all Kenyans who speak bad Kiswahili enjoy listening to Swaleh Mdoes Kiswahili sanifu. It also helps that his stand on immigration is Latino friendly. In my opinion Jeb Bush will have a harder task winning the Republican Party Nomination than winning the general election. IF he is the GOP candidate he will be president. Would somebody be so kind and tell me where to find the "like" button?
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harrydre wrote:Nabwire wrote:harrydre wrote:Nabwire wrote:Anyone in the know, knows that the 45th President of the United States is Jeb Bush! Everything else is side shows... I say it's going to be Hillary. Everything held constant (i.e no new entrants) Two words, Hispanic wife! Google Jeb Bush's wife, trust me, he will get like all of the Latino votes! And they make a huge voting bloc, all he has to do is promise them immigration reform, which he has already started doing! Plus US elections are usually cyclical, Democrat then Republican... he he he kumbe they are as 'tribal' as back here? My thoughts are if they give Bush the nomination, Trump will run as an independent and take away a good chunk of votes from the pool. I wouldnt say they are tribal, they are just more practical. Plus there is a long standing rivalry between African Americans and Latinos, so now that blacks have had someone in the White house, Latinos will want the same and Jeb is the surest way, atleast via his wife. Trump is not going anywhere, he is probably getting alot of support from the tea party nuts who are a small minority. I dont think the Republicans will nominate him, anyways lets wait for Iowa, its the main decider! if Trump is nominated (going by the polls), there is no way he can beat Clinton... ps. i wonder how those polls are being conducted could it be democrats behind Trump's surging numbers so as he can face clinton?
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Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. You are being very emotional over this. Most of what you have written is just rhetoric. Back in 2007, Hillary was leading Obama by a huge margin and was the favorite to win the Democratic ticket, how things change! I will hazard to guess that you do not live in the US, if you can say something like Latinos dont care about Jeb Bush's wife!!!! The only thing you got right is Jeb may have a hard time being nominated as the Republican candidate, once he gets this nomination, he might as well start taking portraits that will be hung at the White House. Kusadikika is more on point.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Kusadikika wrote:Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. @Alba, your argument has one major flaw, it is rational. You have assumed that Latino voters are rational people and that they only vote on issues and that their major issue is immigration. That may be so but I would want to suggest that all people and that includes Latinos vote more on emotion than clear cut rational issues and that is why campaigns are so important. The candidate that people "feel" best wins and it is here that Jeb IF he gets to be the Republican candidate will have a big advantage over Hillary in winning the Latinos. Not because of his wife but because he speaks their language. He speaks Spanish fluently. Latinos in the US live in a parallel country with the rest of the people there. They speak their own language, watch their own TV stations and listen to their own radios. There are so many Latinos who are citizens of the US and have lived there most of their lives but don't speak English and because they only interact with their own they live very comfortably and do not lack for anything. Jeb, IF he becomes a candidate will be the first presidential candidate who will be able to speak to them in their own language. You can be sure he will give an interview to every major Latino radio and TV station and like Mandela said when a man speaks to you in a language you understand he speaks to your mind but when he speaks to you in your own language he speaks to your heart. That is why even young children will for years forget everything that Obama said but will always remember that he said "Niaje wasee" and "Hawayuni" He could say everything Hillary says in English in Spanish and that will make all the difference. The Latinos in the US are from different places so they speak with different accents and different dialects but I am told that even by Latino standards Jeb learnt proper Spanish so he speaks Spanish sanifu and they enjoy listening to it just the way all Kenyans who speak bad Kiswahili enjoy listening to Swaleh Mdoes Kiswahili sanifu. It also helps that his stand on immigration is Latino friendly. In my opinion Jeb Bush will have a harder task winning the Republican Party Nomination than winning the general election. IF he is the GOP candidate he will be president. The scenario is quite complex if you ask me. If Jeb Bush moves to please the Latinos on the issues dear to them, that of itself disconnets him from a huge chunk of the Republican party support base. And thats where the likes of Trump will cut a niche for themselves running as a third force. Remeber Hilary could pick a Latino for a running mate and it gets even more interesting on that score. Dunia ni msongamano..
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B.Timer wrote:Kusadikika wrote:Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. @Alba, your argument has one major flaw, it is rational. You have assumed that Latino voters are rational people and that they only vote on issues and that their major issue is immigration. That may be so but I would want to suggest that all people and that includes Latinos vote more on emotion than clear cut rational issues and that is why campaigns are so important. The candidate that people "feel" best wins and it is here that Jeb IF he gets to be the Republican candidate will have a big advantage over Hillary in winning the Latinos. Not because of his wife but because he speaks their language. He speaks Spanish fluently. Latinos in the US live in a parallel country with the rest of the people there. They speak their own language, watch their own TV stations and listen to their own radios. There are so many Latinos who are citizens of the US and have lived there most of their lives but don't speak English and because they only interact with their own they live very comfortably and do not lack for anything. Jeb, IF he becomes a candidate will be the first presidential candidate who will be able to speak to them in their own language. You can be sure he will give an interview to every major Latino radio and TV station and like Mandela said when a man speaks to you in a language you understand he speaks to your mind but when he speaks to you in your own language he speaks to your heart. That is why even young children will for years forget everything that Obama said but will always remember that he said "Niaje wasee" and "Hawayuni" He could say everything Hillary says in English in Spanish and that will make all the difference. The Latinos in the US are from different places so they speak with different accents and different dialects but I am told that even by Latino standards Jeb learnt proper Spanish so he speaks Spanish sanifu and they enjoy listening to it just the way all Kenyans who speak bad Kiswahili enjoy listening to Swaleh Mdoes Kiswahili sanifu. It also helps that his stand on immigration is Latino friendly. In my opinion Jeb Bush will have a harder task winning the Republican Party Nomination than winning the general election. IF he is the GOP candidate he will be president. The scenario is quite complex if you ask me. If Jeb Bush moves to please the Latinos on the issues dear to them, that of itself disconnets him from a huge chunk of the Republican party support base. And thats where the likes of Trump will cut a niche for themselves running as a third force. Remeber Hilary could pick a Latino for a running mate and it gets even more interesting on that score. In this analysis, one does not have to dismiss Alba's argument to make his points. The demographics of the democratic voters has been increasing as that of the republican's shrink. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Kusadikika wrote:
@Alba, your argument has one major flaw, it is rational. You have assumed that Latino voters are rational people and that they only vote on issues and that their major issue is immigration. That may be so but I would want to suggest that all people and that includes Latinos vote more on emotion than clear cut rational issues and that is why campaigns are so important. The candidate that people "feel" best wins and it is here that Jeb IF he gets to be the Republican candidate will have a big advantage over Hillary in winning the Latinos. Not because of his wife but because he speaks their language. He speaks Spanish fluently.
Latinos in the US live in a parallel country with the rest of the people there. They speak their own language, watch their own TV stations and listen to their own radios. There are so many Latinos who are citizens of the US and have lived there most of their lives but don't speak English and because they only interact with their own they live very comfortably and do not lack for anything.
Jeb, IF he becomes a candidate will be the first presidential candidate who will be able to speak to them in their own language. You can be sure he will give an interview to every major Latino radio and TV station and like Mandela said when a man speaks to you in a language you understand he speaks to your mind but when he speaks to you in your own language he speaks to your heart. That is why even young children will for years forget everything that Obama said but will always remember that he said "Niaje wasee" and "Hawayuni"
He could say everything Hillary says in English in Spanish and that will make all the difference. The Latinos in the US are from different places so they speak with different accents and different dialects but I am told that even by Latino standards Jeb learnt proper Spanish so he speaks Spanish sanifu and they enjoy listening to it just the way all Kenyans who speak bad Kiswahili enjoy listening to Swaleh Mdoes Kiswahili sanifu. It also helps that his stand on immigration is Latino friendly. In my opinion Jeb Bush will have a harder task winning the Republican Party Nomination than winning the general election. IF he is the GOP candidate he will be president.
You just wasted a lot of paragraphs rebutting a non-existent argument. You built a straw man and pummeled it into the ground. I was discussing whether or not Latinos will vote for Jeb Bush because of his wife. I never discussed whether they will vote for him because he can speak Spanish. In any case, emotions aside, Latinos will vote for a candidate whom they think will address their most pressing issue. Many Mexicans are watching their relatives who do not have papers miss out on opportunities for jobs, college etc. They badly want their relatives and friends to get papers. If they find a candidate whom they think will address this issue to their satisfaction, that is whom they will vote for. If latinos were as emotional as you claim then they would all be clamouring to vote for Rubio, Cruz and Jeb. Note that Jeb Bush has been airing TV commercials of himself speaking in Spanish since as far back as October 2014 yet he still trails Hillary among Latinos by a factor of 71-26 or 67-30 depending on which poll you use. That fact alone renders your argumenty about emotion mute.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Nabwire wrote:Alba wrote:Having a hispanic wife will not get Jeb Latino votes. They don't care about his wife. Look at the latest polls and you see that Hillary leads Jeb among Latinos 67-25. Hillary's problem is with white liberals who care about issues like the environment and abortion and who think she is to friendly with big business.
Back in 1984 and again in 2008, some in the media suggested that having a female running mate would get the women vote. It never happened. So having a latino wife likely will not cut it.
Heck Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are Latinos but they likely will not get most latino votes especially Ted Cruz.
However if Jeb promises immigration reform with a plan they like, he might get a lot of votes as his brother did. However Jeb will have a tough time winning the primary.
The fact that Latinos prefer Jeb to Marco Rubio shows they do not automatically care about race or tribe. They just want immigration reform. You are being very emotional over this. Most of what you have written is just rhetoric. Back in 2007, Hillary was leading Obama by a huge margin and was the favorite to win the Democratic ticket, how things change! I will hazard to guess that you do not live in the US, if you can say something like Latinos dont care about Jeb Bush's wife!!!! The only thing you got right is Jeb may have a hard time being nominated as the Republican candidate, once he gets this nomination, he might as well start taking portraits that will be hung at the White House. Kusadikika is more on point. Then please tell us this: If they care so much about his wife then how come he still trails Hillary badly in the polls?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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when I look at the crystal - huyu Clinton hatakuwa president, she won't even get the nomination. my ignorance tells me that between clinton and jeb, hakuna tofauti - both are anti gay, pro war and sweethearts to the 1%. With the former carrying lots of baggage and if by some miracle she gets the nomination the baggage will keep her from crossing that ka finish line. Nasikia fununu on the ground that the republicans would love to battle her.
By the way over the weekend kulikuwa na tu plots tulikuwa tunauzwa some place huko pa, and there were a good number of kenyans buying - I was amazed by the kenyan contingent turnout, being duped.
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