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Capital Gains Tax on EQUITIES
sparkly
#61 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 4:34:56 PM
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Swenani wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Swenani wrote:
Mart_Consult wrote:
Sparkly et al, help me out on this one kindly...

A more interesting scenario is how will they treat bonus shares issued...for instance, after Longhorn's Bonus isssue in the year just concluded, my average buying price came to 6.5...if I sold today at 10...and considering I bought the whole lot at 16...will they consider it as a Capital loss or recalculate and use 6.5 as the buying price (which is not feasible as I actually paid 16/share, the rest were at 0/share) ???

Same goes for rights issues...my average buying price goes down after most rights...so shouldn't I be claiming Cap losses on all these trades???


Let me try to calculate the gains for you using nominal figures

1.You bought 1,000 shares at Kshs 10 which translates to acquisition value of Kshs10,000
2.While still holding the shares,you are issued with 100 bonus shares
3.One year down the line you dispose off the 1,100 shares at Kshs 11

calculation of CGT(assumption is that transaction costs is 2.5%
First 1,000 shares
5%{(1000*11)-(1000*10)-275)}=36.25
Next 100shares
5%{(100*11)-(100*0)-27.5}=53.625


Total CGT to be paid=(36.25+53.625)=Kshs 89.875



Aren't bonus shares given in lieu of cash dividends and subjected to withholding tax??? How do you charge withholding tax and CGT on the same shares???

And in any case bonus shares are not free!!! You actually "buy" them "by force". The money you would have been given as dividends pays for the "bonus share". How then do you use an acquisition cost of 0 in your calculations??


For those who have done financial management and corporate finance,Bonus shares are NEVER and SHOULD'NT be issued in lieu of dividend, bonus shares are more of a share split than dividends-they increase the number of shares but not the share capital-If they were dividends you would'nt expect the dilution of the share price and if you were to assume that the bonus shares are dividends.

A company has no RIGHT to force you to take a share capital in lieu of a cash dividend;but a company is allowed to provide an option for the shareholders to take either cash dividends or stock dividends.A stock dividend will result in an increase of both share capital and number of shares!

But anyway, if you take the bonus issue as dividends, you will still end up paying the same amount of CGT as as the person who considered it as a stock split.Since it will be a capitalized gain which will be taxed at disposal!


True Bonus share is not an income.
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sizzla
#62 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:17:20 PM
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Question. Do we pay CGT when selling only?
The optimist
#63 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:07:08 PM
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sizzla wrote:
Question. Do we pay CGT when selling only?

Yes.Unlike broker commission.
theking
#64 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35:41 AM
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sizzla wrote:
Question. Do we pay CGT when selling only?


you cannot make a gain when buying
mwenza
#65 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:36:12 AM
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The optimist wrote:
sizzla wrote:
Question. Do we pay CGT when selling only?

Yes.Unlike broker commission.


Can't believe somebody has attempted to answer such a difficult question.
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#66 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:00:41 AM
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mwenza wrote:
The optimist wrote:
sizzla wrote:
Question. Do we pay CGT when selling only?

Yes.Unlike broker commission.


Can't believe somebody has attempted to answer such a difficult question.

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Amicus Curiae
#67 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:16:13 AM
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Find basic information on the CGT here:
http://www.kra.go.ke/not...ains-Tax-Guidelines.pdf

My main worry is in properties. If you bought a plot and developed a house for sale. How are they going to determine my total costs at the point of selling the house? If I bought the plot 10 years ago, there is the opportunity cost of my money that has been held there. They shouldn't just assume that the new price of the plot is all capital gain.


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mlennyma
#68 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:21:42 AM
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Lets know here when someone pays especially in equities
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Swenani
#69 Posted: : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:43:23 AM
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Amicus Curiae wrote:
Find basic information on the CGT here:
http://www.kra.go.ke/not...ains-Tax-Guidelines.pdf

My main worry is in properties. If you bought a plot and developed a house for sale. How are they going to determine my total costs at the point of selling the house? If I bought the plot 10 years ago, there is the opportunity cost of my money that has been held there. They shouldn't just assume that the new price of the plot is all capital gain.



Total costs for the house=Cost of acquisition+stamp duty+land rates(before and after construction)+construction costs+repair costs.

The opportunity cost is not considered a costs since the other potential gain would still be taxed(either through income taxe, withholding taxor CGT)
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stock.enigma
#70 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:03:49 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Lets know here when someone pays especially in equities


I am interested to know what happens if I make a loss in selling equities. For example, I bought Mumias at ksh6, and as it is now, I may sell at Khs2, realizing a loss of Ksh4. Shall I carry-forward the loss? and how do I set it off?
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