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Juba...coup attempt in South Sudan?
ali
#61 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:26:02 PM
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oltome wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Which among the warring tribes is the relative of Luos? Just asking...

Sad Shame on you Shame on you that is uncalled for


Both. All came from bahrel gazel...or something like it according to my history teacher. All are nilotes. But enviroment has changed the groups.....and you also need change...
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McReggae
#62 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:35:26 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Which among the warring tribes is the relative of Luos? Just asking...


All of them, the dinka and the nuer shares almost 90% of the dialect, told you to think of Xhosa/Zulu in RSA.
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quicksand
#63 Posted : Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:28:25 PM
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dunkang wrote:
This was just a time bomb waiting to happen. And it may change this new country forever (Remember August 1st 1982 in Kenya).

This is worse. There are rebels now and they have captured a town. The beginnings of a civil war. They just came out of a long one, barely a state 5 years and now they are staring down another one.
Tragic.
dunkang
#64 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 5:50:06 AM
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madollar
#65 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 3:31:28 PM
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dunkang wrote:

slowly spiralling out of control as uganda now deploys troops to protect juba and five peacekeepers killed reports the daily nation.Unreal....
McReggae
#66 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 4:09:39 PM
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The British have sent a second flight to evacuate their nationals from Juba. The Americans have also gone in to get their people out. And now this: Riek Machar has demanded that for there to be talks, Kiir MUST step down as president and elections fast-tracked. Kiir's invitation of the UPDF (the current contingent is, I see, two transport planes and more than 300 soldiers and equipment) is more to secure Juba's government facilities than anything else.
Since this is now a full conflict, we can analyse the relative strengths of the two sides quite comfortably.
Kiir will have the support of China and the US, as well as of Sudan and now Uganda. The superpowers want the oil to keep flowing, as does Khartoum, whose livelihood is based on taxing Juba's oil transit shipments. Kiir is in office quite legally, and even in politics incumbency is vital. Widening the civil war in order to topple Kiir would create a refugee crisis at just the same time that Kenya is overwhelmed by refugees from other countries in the vicinity - and those SS refugees would of course come to Kenya.
The balance of international actors, therefore, are likely to urge Machar to cease his rebellion and await the 2015 elections!!!
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quicksand
#67 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 4:23:25 PM
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McReggae wrote:
The British have sent a second flight to evacuate their nationals from Juba. The Americans have also gone in to get their people out. And now this: Riek Machar has demanded that for there to be talks, Kiir MUST step down as president and elections fast-tracked. Kiir's invitation of the UPDF (the current contingent is, I see, two transport planes and more than 300 soldiers and equipment) is more to secure Juba's government facilities than anything else.
Since this is now a full conflict, we can analyse the relative strengths of the two sides quite comfortably.
Kiir will have the support of China and the US, as well as of Sudan and now Uganda. The superpowers want the oil to keep flowing, as does Khartoum, whose livelihood is based on taxing Juba's oil transit shipments. Kiir is in office quite legally, and even in politics incumbency is vital. Widening the civil war in order to topple Kiir would create a refugee crisis at just the same time that Kenya is overwhelmed by refugees from other countries in the vicinity - and those SS refugees would of course come to Kenya.
The balance of international actors, therefore, are likely to urge Machar to cease his rebellion and await the 2015 elections!!!


Ironic, isn't it, South Sudanese again needing benevolence and mercy from Kenya after allegedly mistreating Kenyans running businesses in South Sudan.,, Sad Sad
poundfoolish
#68 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:33:27 PM
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McReggae wrote:
The British have sent a second flight to evacuate their nationals from Juba. The Americans have also gone in to get their people out. And now this: Riek Machar has demanded that for there to be talks, Kiir MUST step down as president and elections fast-tracked. Kiir's invitation of the UPDF (the current contingent is, I see, two transport planes and more than 300 soldiers and equipment) is more to secure Juba's government facilities than anything else.
Since this is now a full conflict, we can analyse the relative strengths of the two sides quite comfortably.
Kiir will have the support of China and the US, as well as of Sudan and now Uganda. The superpowers want the oil to keep flowing, as does Khartoum, whose livelihood is based on taxing Juba's oil transit shipments. Kiir is in office quite legally, and even in politics incumbency is vital. Widening the civil war in order to topple Kiir would create a refugee crisis at just the same time that Kenya is overwhelmed by refugees from other countries in the vicinity - and those SS refugees would of course come to Kenya.
The balance of international actors, therefore, are likely to urge Machar to cease his rebellion and await the 2015 elections!!!



Do the Nuer leave in areas fertile with oil fields?

If i were Kirr's advicers i would ensure i first secure Juba and life goes on near normal.. then i would marshal support from US and maybe China.. getting Uganda's support is crucial.. talk in Kenya

I would then avoid this tribal targeting.. ati Nuer's are being fought by Dinka's i would actually encourage those doing business in Juba and elsewhere to continue..

I would then appoint another renown Nuer into government.. a top Civilian with no military background. not those military generals.

Riek would be isolated and things would calm down.

I would love to hear a contra opinion based on matters on the ground
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#69 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:44:09 PM
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@pound, i like your thoughts. But what if Machar is like Raila? Try replace hima and people hate ur replacement!
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#70 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2013 6:56:33 PM
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quicksand wrote:
McReggae wrote:
The British have sent a second flight to evacuate their nationals from Juba. The Americans have also gone in to get their people out. And now this: Riek Machar has demanded that for there to be talks, Kiir MUST step down as president and elections fast-tracked. Kiir's invitation of the UPDF (the current contingent is, I see, two transport planes and more than 300 soldiers and equipment) is more to secure Juba's government facilities than anything else.
Since this is now a full conflict, we can analyse the relative strengths of the two sides quite comfortably.
Kiir will have the support of China and the US, as well as of Sudan and now Uganda. The superpowers want the oil to keep flowing, as does Khartoum, whose livelihood is based on taxing Juba's oil transit shipments. Kiir is in office quite legally, and even in politics incumbency is vital. Widening the civil war in order to topple Kiir would create a refugee crisis at just the same time that Kenya is overwhelmed by refugees from other countries in the vicinity - and those SS refugees would of course come to Kenya.
The balance of international actors, therefore, are likely to urge Machar to cease his rebellion and await the 2015 elections!!!

Ironic, isn't it, South Sudanese again needing benevolence and mercy from Kenya after allegedly mistreating Kenyans running businesses in South Sudan.,, Sad Sad

And to add on that, and not to sound bias, I'm wondering why, it's just recently. Are South Sudan betraying their habit of complaining? Does that tell us something about them? Maybe they have some inherent problem.
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