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kysse wrote:obiero wrote:most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed. Difference is in the mind. If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants. You see @kysse this is a rare and a gland opportunity that presents itself and does not require an excuse...  Or is spotting opportunities one of the reasons that ails Africa??? ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kysse wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:obiero wrote:most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed. Difference is in the mind. If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants. Let me put a little twist to this. I was doing some reasearch and stumbled on a documentary, which depicts Africans as the real Jews. The documentary pins down many proofs from the Bible where God eventually abandoned the tribe (Jews black people) because they became rebelious when they walked away from the LAW/commandments... I can't remember the title. I dread religious talks but here is what Alpha. The law was given to Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus.It's called the Dispensation of Grace,a new chapter and beginning which supercedes the old dispensation. Quote:The first covenant was in these terms,β"You do right, and God will reward you for it. If you deserve life, God will give it to you." Now,that covenant was broken all to pieces; it was unable to stand by reason of the weakness of our flesh and the corruptness of our nature. So God set aside that first covenant, he put it away as an outworn and useless thing; and he brought in a new covenant,βthe covenant of grace; and in our text we see what is the tenor of it: "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts." by is spirit. @ Alpha always know that 'Good works'= The Law are as filthy rags before the Lord. Isaiah 64.6 Grace is what. @kysse what happened to what you had posted earlier? About living in grace in about three paragraphs? And the las sentence said "Africa is lazy continent" I only agreed with you on your last statement. Because we're just but a bunch of lazy brats... Only maybe about 5% are hard working. But on your other statements you said you dread religious talks... I also hate to reply to the religious angle but I have to do it. I'll say you don't really dread, but it's an excuse right there! African mentalily right there in your post! Why do I say that? Because you'll run away as soon as I show you that saying "we're living in the grace" is just but an excuse. Why do I say that? You see my brother @kysse, the Christians don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. Everything is there for adornment for beautificaiton. Just like what you just wrote in your first three paragraphs. Things that Jesus (pbuh) said, no Christian is prepared to do that. Don't run away yet my brother @kysse... Read the below  And Jesus didn't come to change the law, Matt 5:17 he says: " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fullfil. For verilly, I tell you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all is fullfilled.
Whosoever, therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven" Where are the Christians who follow the law and the commandments? Universally, they reject the laws and the commandments. The Christian says he is not bound by the law. He says his is living in the grace. According to Jesus, you're worthless rubbish, even if you break one of these least commandments, you're not his follower. He says he is not of me who does not take his cross and follow me. The way I pray you pray, they way I'm circumcised you circumcise, they way I treat the flesh of a swine you do the same. But, no, no you don't want to follow him!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Kaigangio wrote:kysse wrote:obiero wrote:most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed. Difference is in the mind. If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increases rent for all tenants. You see @kysse this is a rare and a grand opportunity that presents itself and does not require an excuse... Or is spotting opportunities one of the reasons that ails Africa??? When you spot such a tenant,demand 2 years rent deposit and cite mistrust or a possible sudden move as the excuse. Leave us hustlers to pay you what we agreed upon. Of late there has been a sudden influx of mizungus in middle class residential estates ,they no longer consider upmarket places anymore-not sure why, And the only people smiling are gizzards.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:Kaigangio wrote:kysse wrote:obiero wrote:most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed. Difference is in the mind. If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increases rent for all tenants. You see @kysse this is a rare and a grand opportunity that presents itself and does not require an excuse... Or is spotting opportunities one of the reasons that ails Africa??? When you spot such a tenant,demand 2 years rent deposit and cite mistrust or a possible sudden move as the excuse. Leave us hustlers to pay you what we agreed upon. Of late there has been a sudden influx of mizungus in middle class residential estates ,they no longer consider upmarket places anymore-not sure why, And the only people smiling are gizzards. Kysse, the mere fact that you want to be sheltered from 'market forces' is indicative of what ails 'Africa'. BTW 'Afrikanism' became racial just in the nineteenth century. Traditionally it's a universal concept. By making it racial we become prisoners of our own making. For example, this thread, and the presumptions it carries is unlikely to yield anything worthwhile. It's a perfect way of keeping the 'status quo' with feelings of self righteousness. Hypocrisy of the highest order. It can give someone 'shida ya tumbo'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Brother. AlphDoti wrote:I only agreed with you on your last statement. Because we're just but a bunch of lazy brats... Only maybe about 5% are hard working. No Alpha, Africans are very very hardworking.It's the reason they are willing to work for very low wages even though demeaning.
Africans have no luxury of choice when it comes to work. We do any work that puts food on our table. But on your other statements you said you dread religious talks... I also hate to reply to the religious angle but I have to do it. I'll say you don't really dread, but it's an excuse right there! African mentalily right there in your post! I don't enjoy it because we attach religion to everything including eating,breathing,dating or even farting.We need to take responsibility and stop dragging religion into everything.
Why do I say that? Because you'll run away as soon as I show you that saying "we're living in the grace" is just but an excuse. I sure will if it gets tough but it won't change my belief.Why do I say that? You see my brother @kysse, the Christians don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. Neither do muslims believe in the koran Everything is there for adornment for beautificaiton. Bible wasn't written in Italy by Gucci alpa,pleease.Things that Jesus (pbuh) said, no Christian is prepared to do that. Don't run away yet my brother @kysse... Read the below LOL And Jesus didn't come to change the law, Matt 5:17 he says: " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to [b]fullfil. For verilly, I tell you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all is fullfilled. He came to fulfill.Fullstop
How do I say this? Jesus was what was the theme of the the old testament.All prophecies of old point to his coming. When Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law, He came to establish it and demonstrate how it pointed to Him and how He would live it perfectly.
Quote:Jesus removed the requirement of having to follow the Law in order to please God, established justification by faith, and thereby united both Jew and Gentile into one group in Christ. This is when Paul says in verse 15 that he abolished in his flesh the enmity which is the law of commandments in ordinances. The Law was that which separated Jew from Gentile and since it has been fulfilled in Christ, it is no longer something that would separate Jew and Gentile.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:AlphDoti wrote:kysse wrote:obiero wrote:most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed. Difference is in the mind. If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants. Let me put a little twist to this. I was doing some reasearch and stumbled on a documentary, which depicts Africans as the real Jews. The documentary pins down many proofs from the Bible where God eventually abandoned the tribe (Jews black people) because they became rebelious when they walked away from the LAW/commandments... I can't remember the title. I dread religious talks but here is what Alpha. The law was given to Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus.It's called the Dispensation of Grace,a new chapter and beginning which supercedes the old dispensation. Quote:The first covenant was in these terms,β"You do right, and God will reward you for it. If you deserve life, God will give it to you." Now,that covenant was broken all to pieces; it was unable to stand by reason of the weakness of our flesh and the corruptness of our nature. So God set aside that first covenant, he put it away as an outworn and useless thing; and he brought in a new covenant,βthe covenant of grace; and in our text we see what is the tenor of it: "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts." by is spirit. @ Alpha always know that 'Good works'= The Law are as filthy rags before the Lord. Isaiah 64.6 Grace is what. @kysse what happened to what you had posted earlier? About living in grace in about three paragraphs? And the las sentence said "Africa is lazy continent" I only agreed with you on your last statement. Because we're just but a bunch of lazy brats... Only maybe about 5% are hard working. But on your other statements you said you dread religious talks... I also hate to reply to the religious angle but I have to do it. I'll say you don't really dread, but it's an excuse right there! African mentalily right there in your post! Why do I say that? Because you'll run away as soon as I show you that saying "we're living in the grace" is just but an excuse. Why do I say that? You see my brother @kysse, the Christians don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. Everything is there for adornment for beautificaiton. Just like what you just wrote in your first three paragraphs. Things that Jesus (pbuh) said, no Christian is prepared to do that. Don't run away yet my brother @kysse... Read the below And Jesus didn't come to change the law, Matt 5:17 he says: " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fullfil. For verilly, I tell you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all is fullfilled.
Whosoever, therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven" Where are the Christians who follow the law and the commandments? Universally, they reject the laws and the commandments. The Christian says he is not bound by the law. He says his is living in the grace. According to Jesus, you're worthless rubbish, even if you break one of these least commandments, you're not his follower. He says he is not of me who does not take his cross and follow me. The way I pray you pray, they way I'm circumcised you circumcise, they way I treat the flesh of a swine you do the same. But, no, no you don't want to follow him! What makes you to believe that we are lazy? What's 'laziness'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Tycho,Market forces resulting from inferior/superior mindsets are no real forces but exploitation.
OK would you call this racial?
Do you know that most multi-nationals don't trust africans to head their company branches in African countries?
Why? if I may ask, are we not good enough?
It's got nothing to do with colour but Accountability,
And you know that most profits gets ploughed back to the origin country. We just busy.
Those working through local partners have bigger plans of eventually buying them off in the long -term after all the offer is usually too good to resist.
And before you know it,we will soon be remote controlled.
Sample case; Watch machakos develop through investors.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:Tycho,Market forces resulting from inferior/superior mindsets are no real forces but exploitation.
OK would you call this racial?
Do you know that most multi-nationals don't trust africans to head their company branches in African countries?
Why? if I may ask, are we not good enough?
It's got nothing to do with colour but Accountability,
And you know that most profits gets ploughed back to the origin country. We just busy.
Those working through local partners have bigger plans of eventually buying them off in the long -term after all the offer is usually too good to resist.
And before you know it,we will soon be remote controlled.
Sample case; Watch machakos develop through investors.
'Accountability'? You believe in such? It all depends on power. Those who can, do. Who is accountable to who? What do you mean by 'Machakos developing with the help of investors'? That there'll be bullet trains there? What's 'Machakos'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:kysse wrote:Tycho,Market forces resulting from inferior/superior mindsets are no real forces but exploitation.
OK would you call this racial?
Do you know that most multi-nationals don't trust africans to head their company branches in African countries?
Why? if I may ask, are we not good enough?
It's got nothing to do with colour but Accountability,
And you know that most profits gets ploughed back to the origin country. We just busy.
Those working through local partners have bigger plans of eventually buying them off in the long -term after all the offer is usually too good to resist.
And before you know it,we will soon be remote controlled.
Sample case; Watch machakos develop through investors.
'Accountability'? You believe in such? Yes I do. A lot.It all depends on power. Those who can, do. Who is accountable to who? There you go African thinking again.You must be Accountable to your source of investment/employer for that matter.
What do you mean by 'Machakos developing with the help of investors'? That there'll be bullet trains there? What's 'Machakos'? @Tycho eti what's machakos?  laugh wan tear my belly. I didn't mention trains, all I know is that machakos is set to develop through the help of investors, both local and foreign. Assuming that such a project is in the pipeline.. Hitachi partners with Munyoki Rails Kenya.to undertake the project since the County won't allocate it to a company with 100% foreign stake. They decide run as HITAMUNYOKI-CHI RAILS CO. After a while it undergoes transformation; HITAUNYOKI-CHI,HITANYOKI-CHI,HITAYOKI-CHI, HITAOKI-CHI,HITAKI-CHI,HITAI-CHI,HITACHI RAILS CO. What hpned to munyoki? greed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:Tycho,Market forces resulting from inferior/superior mindsets are no real forces but exploitation.
OK would you call this racial?
Do you know that most multi-nationals don't trust africans to head their company branches in African countries?
Why? if I may ask, are we not good enough?
It's got nothing to do with colour but Accountability,
And you know that most profits gets ploughed back to the origin country. We just busy.
Those working through local partners have bigger plans of eventually buying them off in the long -term after all the offer is usually too good to resist.
And before you know it,we will soon be remote controlled.
Sample case; Watch machakos develop through investors.
'Accountability'? You believe in such? Yes I do. A lot.It all depends on power. Those who can, do. Who is accountable to who? There you go African thinking again.You must be Accountable to your source of investment/employer for that matter.
What do you mean by 'Machakos developing with the help of investors'? That there'll be bullet trains there? What's 'Machakos'? @Tycho eti what's machakos? laugh wan tear my belly. I didn't mention trains, all I know is that machakos is set to develop through the help of investors, both local and foreign. Assuming that such a project is in the pipeline.. Hitachi partners with Munyoki Rails Kenya.to undertake the project since the County won't allocate it to a company with 100% foreign stake. They decide run as HITAMUNYOKI-CHI RAILS CO. After a while it undergoes transformation; HITAUNYOKI-CHI,HITANYOKI-CHI,HITAYOKI-CHI, HITAOKI-CHI,HITAKI-CHI,HITAI-CHI,HITACHI RAILS CO. What hpned to munyoki? greed. It's good to know that you are accountable to 'employers and investors' in a market that has the 'superiors' versus the 'inferior'. Then you also believe that as a 'hustler' you ought to have market privilege. My Afrikana thinking tells me that you are yet to know what you're talking about.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:
My Afrikana thinking tells me that you are yet to know what you're talking about.
I may be right but again I could be wrong. I choose to sit by the fence and observe where the wind blows and there I will go.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,571 Location: nairobi
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we import spoons! can one wazuan tell me if he/she has made in kenya teaspoons? na aweke picha!
COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:we import spoons! can one wazuan tell me if he/she has made in kenya teaspoons? na aweke picha! Manufacturers don't just build stuff bila market bwana - who would buy them? the 'curse' is that we are too eager to buy 'imported' stuff. that's why we flaunt european cars. it's like buying imported stuff is some kind of social capital or status symbol but its really a shame. however gava can help.... it just needs to make a policy that all spoons used by government will be made in Kenya and out of no where a local spoon manufacturing industry will popup. Read my signature it explains everything we do. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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The way we think is different from the way the rest of the world thinks, Mzungu thinks for his entire people and generation to come while an African thinks only about himself and immediate family.
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Chinua Achebe figured the answers along time ago in this masterpiece  it is also available in this print  "ππ‘KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder ππ " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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african coloner wrote:The way we think is different from the way the rest of the world thinks, Mzungu thinks for his entire people and generation to come while an African thinks only about himself and immediate family. So true... http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25049641possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/24/2009 Posts: 273
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african coloner wrote:The way we think is different from the way the rest of the world thinks, Mzungu thinks for his entire people and generation to come while an African thinks only about himself and immediate family. Well said. GREED ails us. We can't seem to have enough. Any Kenyan who gets the opportunity in govt to gobble public funds will eat n eat n eat some more. All at the expense of some mwananchi somewhere left to omba serikali for everything. Indeed we are a blessed rather than a cursed lot. In terms of resources lakini the greed among just a few leaves us in the ruins... Like how many lifetimes do they (I have a few Moi knuckleheads in mind) need to consume all that they amass?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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What is 'leadership'? Is it a preserve of the few? If yes, then the rest are the herd, the slaves. Now what is the slave crying about? What ought to be? Poor grumblers! Achebe seems to have forgotten this, and I see many here are joining in this suicide. Only a slave can crave for 'true emancipation'. He seeks a better life though now he has no power. He hopes for a Messiah from the clouds that are not him, distant. The only problem is, if such an assumption is true, how then can one spot the Messiah? The slave is always looking down. Looking down on their leadership, their own sense of initiative and power to create, and to relate on mutual terms. Revolution is when we come back to the foundations of Man and creating the mutualist city, where Man and God rule together. Revolution is about coming back to Africa where it all began. Understanding the steps humanity has trodden thus far, and reconciling it with the beginning. The African. The problem with Africa is that it no longer has Africans. Maps, and nations are now European. And in European language we attack the African. We accuse the initiator of progress of not being progressive. We are completely alienated from ourselves. I remember Tom Mboya asking what it means to be African; is it wearing animal skins? Or piercing your ears? Or drinking Mursik? To be African is to remember the foundation of Man; the essentials that glue him to the dead, the living, and the unborn. To be African is to be Man God, and though the continents and conditions transform the color of Man, the foundations still persist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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african coloner wrote:The way we think is different from the way the rest of the world thinks, Mzungu thinks for his entire people and generation to come while an African thinks only about himself and immediate family. Don't confuse African to be what and how you think. Africa isn't color or race. It's not even continent. It's a knowing that builds the city.
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