Alba wrote:I am done debating tycho. It is not a good use of my time. But I wanted to highlight some of the ignorant posts tycho has posted on this thread before I leave so you folk can judge for yourself
1. Slum dwellers don’t have property
2. People who don’t have property do not deserve police protection
3. Slums are places where only people who are politically marginalized live
4. Occupy wall street movement was about slums --> This is funny because there are virtually no slums in the USA
5. Kibaki deserves a palatial house as a reward for his work and it is correct for the government to spend millions more maintaining it This is at a time when UK says civil servants have to take paycut
6. Sportmen in Kenya especially boxers are not doing well because there is no market for their services This is silly when you consider that Kenyan boxers can earn Ksh 2.2 million for only one fight at the world boxing championships
7. You can only post on Wazua if you represent someone
With regard to Occupy Wall street, I actually attended many occupy wall street rallies. The word slum was never even mentioned at those rallies. In the USA poor people don’t live in slums. They live in public housing provided by the city. A moral government provides for its poor. An immoral government builds palatial homes for retired presidents who already have enough money
@Alba, it's okay if you're done 'debating' me. For me I can only say that one has at least to represent himself for any genuine political conversation, and the use or no use of a word like 'slum' depends on many things.
I live in Kibera, and I decided to ask some people what their ideas and thoughts are on the suggestion that they should have more police stations and I received some very interesting responses. And most questioned how this would indeed help the slum dweller.
As for whether 'slum' dwellers own property or not I'll just refer you to your preferred definitions and hope you'll learn to go beyond the surface of things.
About the 'silliness' of boxers and markets I will just laugh at you and your shallow thinking. I happen to have seen those social halls you're talking about, some of the boxers who've 'excelled' and gone 'majuu', I have even sponsored a boxer and experienced how boxing in Kenya tastes. And as I said, I represent these young men and women who end up dreaming of AFABA, or prisons, or police otherwise there are very few corporations and individuals who have interest in sports.
Some few years ago, I chanced on Lech Walesa's story of how he had gone to work in a shipping yard after being the president of Poland. And this moral impulse you're trying to advocate for hit me, and I wondered if he deserved to be in the situation. Now and then I wonder how Nyerere's frugality has helped Tanzania or Africa and I end up seeing the same thing; what matters is how an individual can secure his/her own political interest without being represented by your likes.
Otherwise, am very glad to rid my mind of your kind of thinking.