These childish amounts is what you are calling "numbers"??

120billion may look like a lot to us Africans but trust you me a single American company makes 150billion PROFIT in just 3months!

@Nabwire, You have a tendency of throwing words to fellow wazuans,like "village mad woman" and now i'm defeatist.Whatever keeps your kite high up.


Back to your response of my post,where did i talk of AID in my post? Please highlight it for me. I talked business. The four FACTORS OF PRODUCTION. Usually, profits from most of the multinationals are not more than 25% of total revenue.
Tell me @Nabwire,where does the other 75% go to? It's rewards to the other 3 factors which more often than not,are local.Talking numbers,the country where 75% is spend BENEFITS more than shareholders who get 25%.Tumeelewana?

Where did i say foreign companies are here because they are benevolent? WHERE? I said they don't milk us, they are investor just like us,the locals. Should i say us the locals go into business for profits? just to clear the air.
The business of business is business. It doesn't matter who's doing it.

Did you read the last part i did i green?
I said if we use our brains,build our economy,in 30 years or so,we can be punching with the heavy weights.
Tell me @ Nabwire,where/how did you get that DEFEATIST feel on my post?

As @simonkabz Asked, what freedom are we getting by voting the suspects? What will Kenya be able to do,by voting suspects,that we CAN'T do now?
How free are the Merus whose miraa got banned in the Holland? Lacking market for your produce/products/service is NOT FREEDOM. If one has a textiles factory in our EPZs and the US de
lists Kenya from Agoa benefits,how FREE will the apparel's dealer be?
We cannot belittle a huge word like FREEDOM, to mean "electing suspects".
The average Hong Kong citizen is more FREE than the average Kenyan even if they haven't been enjoying voting rights as we do.The average Hong Kong citizen can holiday,drive,live and enjoy life in ways the average Kenyan can only imagine.
Now that is FREEDOM
Deeds and processes that will enable me and most Kenyans to live,holiday,drive,enjoy life freely,are welcome to me.Voting suspects ISN'T.

Finally,is said voting Uhuruto won't bring sanctions,it is their failure to cooperate with ICC which will bring sanctions.You are assuming they will cooperate,i'm assuming they won't.
We are all assuming. They say they will,they said many things to Mdvd. In the spirit of freedom,i'm free to assume as i wish. Ama iko shida?

Now i'm seated here,a shipping line just decided to head to Dar Tanzania first,then come back to Mombasa,that means, loss of business for me.I'm i supposed to be feeling "MORE FREE" now? In your spirit of "doing thing on our terms" tell me how i can achieve that with the shipping lines? @ Nabwire,tell me. Kenya being VERY important to the west,why is a Netherlands vessel not respecting Mombasa and heading to Dar first?
The usual route is from X - Msa - Dar - Y.

China does not do business with the West on their terms. Have you ever been to a Chinese factory? That sort of working conditions does not come anywhere near being on chinese terms.But China is pulling itself up and in not so many years,they'll be doing things on their terms. Once they've built enough economic might. South Korea come through the same route,same as Taiwan. Now Chinese,Vietnam,Cambodia, Philipines ,Thailand etc, are doing it. BUILDING ECONOMIC MIGHT.
Kenya should do the same,build its might.We are not going to do it if we are going to ditch the West and run East. Why haven't the East Asian countries not ditched the West,for China? WHY?

When we were young,we needed to be nurtured,now that we've grown,we can fend for ourselves. Kenya is relatively young in all spheres of development,we can't grow by picking unnecessary confrontations. We need to be able to do business with everybody

Yeah they need us because we have the best national parks.

Africa control 2.36% of global GDP.. that's how relevant we are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._distribution_of_wealth

http://www.conference-bo.../data/globaloutlook.cfm

What i mean is that Kenya needs to expand their market more as in the case here below stated by @RailaOdinga.

https://twitter.com/Rail...atus/255684680907649024



Also as stated by Michael Holman here

http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/2098m9/-/index.html

^^^^^^ hahahaha a4arch, ati kenya flexed an emaciated muscle lol! Let me wake you up! Baks maintained a tight relationship with the west, but but expanded our frontiers further to the east, a clever move. To put it crudely, he EXPANDED CHINA'S MARKET for their products n services n loans. We still begged for aid from the west and you know it. Did china give us any aid? Did they import any finished good from us other than old batteries n scrap metal that is wrecking havoc on public property in form of vandalism? I have not seen more absurd thinking since the advent of multiparty. Kwani UHURU amedanganya watu kivipi? All I see is pure madness!

@Simonkabs.. I dont think being anti west means being pro china. Any bilateral agreeements that are not win win will eventually hurt the economy. Since Uganda is our largest trading partner, more emphasis should be in countries which import from us,such as Uganda, which recently overtook UK.

We mostly export cash crops to EU. The EU control the prices through auction method so we only get paid enough to keep us alive hence unfavourable trade. Thats why smart kenyans are now cutting down coffee and repacing with maize and beans. Maize and beans can be sold favorably to Uganda etc whereby we get paid the actual worth, without auctions e.t.c.
Watch this video below by Susan George,for details

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_viNHVzadeM

listen at minute 5. Susan George saysIts the Africans/South who support EU/North financially.

http://youtu.be/_viNHVzadeM?t=5m6s

Mkeiyd I dont even know where to begin. First for the record I am not an Uhuruto fan as you assume, I just refused to sit in silence and watch his character assassinated, while people peddle cheap rumors to instill fear and make people not vote for him. I believe in fairness, if you cant fairly beat Uhuru, dont resort to coercion and blackmail. Then onto freedom, im just baffled. After the Iraq war, it was very common for Americans to have have 'freedom is not free' stickers on their cars, just think about that for a minute. You say the Chinese, Koreans etc have freeom to vacation and enjoy life, have you ever thought of how they got to that level? Do you think by always toeing the line, you will get to their level? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. With your thinking, you will never be free, you will always remain subservient, but then again freedom does not mean alot to you. And what exactly do you understand by doing business on their terms? What does factory work have to do with terms? You know how many times China has been told not to do business with this or that country, but they still went ahead and did so, that the definition of doing business on your terms. You have your reasons for voting whomever will make sure those ships go to Mombasa before Dar, and someone else has their reasons for voting the opposite. Thats what free and fair elections are, may the best person win. I'm not here to make you vote in one way or another, but you have to respect the choice that the majority make, and that choice ought to be made without fear and coercion.

@Nabwire ...I don't think the majority here are out to assassinate their characters. Just stating facts. And the facts are these 2 have a case of crimes against humanity to answer. They were indicted. An indictment is very serious business in Criminal Law. Means enough evidence has been found to file charges and the have the accused answer them. Now, Kenya willingly signed and ratified the ICC/Rome treaty. In addition, our own parliament asserted that the PEV cases be referred to the ICC. If that does not grant legitimacy to the court I don't know what does.

Which brings me to the second point. If these 2 are innocent, the case should not stick. But why vie before clearing their names? This is not only a moral question, but also a logistical and practical one. May be you would like hazard a reply on how the duo will govern while fully occupied 9 to 5 for the foreseeable few months? The refusal to reign in their ambition until their case is dispensed with shows leaders who are selfish and who put their interests first before those of the nation. It is a disingenuous candidacy, they are not interested in leading, they are interested in power.

You have said ...

You (and others) could be accused of peddling cheap rumours as well, making this to be about freedom, when clearly it is not. It is well orchestrated propaganda, meant to tug at the nationalism of a misguided electorate.
Like @mkeiyd asked ...
What will Kenya be able to do,by voting suspects,that we CAN'T do now?
What is your understanding of being free? Do you think you can be free of macro-economic policies and laws made by your state, especially if you don't like them? Cause I am trying to understand your statement in the context of 'freedom'

Subservient to who? We all pay taxes to KRA, are kept in good order by the Kenya Police and are adjudicated by Kenyan courts. I have never been stopped by any man, European or otherwise from personally going on about my business. This freedom argument is a fallacy. It is rhetoric. In fact, many will be perfectly free to vote uhuruto on 4th. As for trade, we have to comply to policies and terms of whoever we are trading with be it China, Uganda or the EU - ergo, we are subject to obey those policies. So, nobody is 'free' in that respect, not even the US. But then, that is not what freedom is.
You don't go about business in town in stained clothes, you clean them out first. This is what these accusations are, to use a rudimentary analogy. The conclusion of the trial should succeed or fail in removing the stains - but the cleaning is not done when the clothes are on the body. It is very simple. The duo should not have vied, and having failed that, right thinking Kenyans shouldn't vote them into power.

We joined Wazua to debate, dissent, agree and discuss ideas, therefore if you post an opinion, you will damn get a reply if I care about the subject. How insincere of you to feign disinterest at this point after posting vigorously, even addressing some very sharp remarks towards fellow posters?
Anyway, that is your choice. I will counter the points you have raised by saying this ....how are we supposed to stop RAO? He hasn't been charged with a crime and the integrity suit he was enjoined was thrown out. Opinion does not constitute a trial. These intimations of who did what concerning PEV are useless unless those accusations appear on a court charge sheet. It is hot air, to use your own words. Secondly, I haven't read this Wazuan's post who you claim launched a malicious and hateful campaign against Uhuruto. Point me in its direction so I can judge for myself. However, and I didn't assume that all are devoid of malice or ill intent; That is why I started my post with the phrase ...

I presume the minority covers this wazuan you are referring to.
Please, go and gather your thoughts then resume posting, reading other people's opinion makes one an informed person