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GARISSA GRENADE BLASTS
bwenyenye
#61 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:43:54 PM
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Why are we assuming that it was Al Shaabab!

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Kausha
#62 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 12:54:59 PM
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Look, this is not a helpless complicated situation as one Tinga tinga and Mulonzo would make us believe. The police took an oath to protect civilians and maintain law and order so that the rest of us can go on with our lives with plenty of peace of mind. Regardless of location - Nairobi / Garissa / Mombasa, it beholves bw. Iteere to wake up from the slumber he is in, put on his thinking cap and give direction on how we are going to reduce and posibily eliminate this problem.

Simply by always repeating after every attack that our officers are on top of things and we are doing much more more to protect more attacks on civilians than is visible to the naked eye is absolute NONSENSE!! I bet the cops are hapless and clueless and things are substantially above them and to an extent if I was Kibaki by now I would have formed a very visible anti terrorism unit with cops, Intelligence officers and soldiers that would be very visible in all border towns and key towns. Mboys in blue scare no one and worse still we all know they are poorly equipped and exposed. How do you tell cops to stand outside a church and the only thing they have to protect their bodies is a Sweater or the blue shirt. That G3 is no weapon when a goon appears suddenly with another weapon!! Really sad. Why can't Iteere even request for funding to buy bullet proof vests, sophisticated detecting equipment etc?

In Uganda after the July 2010 bombings, the level of security went up 5 times higher lots of intelligence gathering, mean looking security personnel patrolling the towns, all buildings being vetted by police and intelligence for security preparedness etc. In kenya Tuko tu!
Rahatupu
#63 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:30:19 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Look, this is not a helpless complicated situation as one Tinga tinga and Mulonzo would make us believe. The police took an oath to protect civilians and maintain law and order so that the rest of us can go on with our lives with plenty of peace of mind. Regardless of location - Nairobi / Garissa / Mombasa, it beholves bw. Iteere to wake up from the slumber he is in, put on his thinking cap and give direction on how we are going to reduce and posibily eliminate this problem.

Simply by always repeating after every attack that our officers are on top of things and we are doing much more more to protect more attacks on civilians than is visible to the naked eye is absolute NONSENSE!! I bet the cops are hapless and clueless and things are substantially above them and to an extent if I was Kibaki by now I would have formed a very visible anti terrorism unit with cops, Intelligence officers and soldiers that would be very visible in all border towns and key towns. Mboys in blue scare no one and worse still we all know they are poorly equipped and exposed. How do you tell cops to stand outside a church and the only thing they have to protect their bodies is a Sweater or the blue shirt. That G3 is no weapon when a goon appears suddenly with another weapon!! Really sad. Why can't Iteere even request for funding to buy bullet proof vests, sophisticated detecting equipment etc?

In Uganda after the July 2010 bombings, the level of security went up 5 times higher lots of intelligence gathering, mean looking security personnel patrolling the towns, all buildings being vetted by police and intelligence for security preparedness etc. In kenya Tuko tu!


Well said. These guys have realized that this is the play ground for all manner of criminals. What with our many "human rights". Look at Ethiopia, does any of these idiots joke with them? We have also specialized in hypocritical self serving side shows, ati solidarity, peace bla bla bla.... Our leaders cannot make tough choices and firm stand on matters of national security. Why must we have the same top cop when he has obviously failed? Why not let the KDF take up to securing internal homeland?
essyk
#64 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:30:55 PM
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I find it hard to imagine.

This eyewitness on tv spoke of how she saw 3 men appear at the gate,ran inside and screamed 'tumekutwa' but as usual,nobody took her seriously.
She ran and hid at the front.
By then, the criminals had already gained entry and started their indiscriminate shooting.
How did such a large no of guys in balaclavas evade all police checks in Garissa as they drove to the venue?
Surely,they couldn't have been in an open pickup!
And having 2 cops man a big church like that is nothing but pure jokes.
They need to intall cctvs at strategic places to monitor movements 24/7.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
rock
#65 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 6:42:15 PM
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That attack left a VERY bitter taste.. To the extent that they even dare/have time to shoot people who are lying down is just unthinkable,our police force needs a MAJOR overhaul!
murchr
#66 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:02:34 PM
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rock wrote:
That attack left a VERY bitter taste.. To the extent that they even dare/have time to shoot people who are lying down is just unthinkable,our police force needs a MAJOR overhaul!


We always point fingers on the wrong people...we as a people need to change. We are hiding information about these thugs. Youth in Garisa were seen celebrating when this massacre happened. If the GSU is sent there...all sort of cries will be heard from human rights groups etc..up to today we have no law inplace that can be used against these people so even when the cops arrest people on suspicion they cant take them to court nor hold them for more than 48hrs. How is the police expected to work. Would you have the morale to do it if it was you? I am not absorbing them from corruption and laxity claims but i think our security should be the responsibility of each and everyone.

I personally would like to hear/see our media getting more aggressive not in condemning the cops/govt but in educating Kenyans on how a grenade looks like...on the powders that are being discovered in bags, and any other weapon associated with terror. By the way, does the 999 call line work? Are there new numbers?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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essyk
#67 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:08:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
I am not absorbing them from corruption and laxity claims but i think our security should be the responsibility of each and everyone.



Quote:
I personally would like to hear/see our media getting more aggressive not in condemning the cops/govt but in educating Kenyans on how a grenade looks like...on the powders that are being discovered in bags, and any other weapon associated with terror


Anything out of place to me is 'suspicious'
-I see u carrying maize flour early morning and I suspect ur carrying explosive powder.
Hata kama imeandikwa hostess.
-I screen guys listening to their radios in public trying to see where the cable ends.
-If you wear very lose clothes I suspect you.
-Carry a backpack and I don't move an inch closer.
-Keep fidgeting and am out.
-Keep talking that language on phone while am next to you and I assume you are receiving instructions.
-Wear ur hair kilemba style and I smell a rat.


Am I paranoid?
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
murchr
#68 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 7:50:44 PM
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essyk wrote:
murchr wrote:
I am not absorbing them from corruption and laxity claims but i think our security should be the responsibility of each and everyone.




Am I paranoid?



On the red....to suck up, swallow up etc...

And yes, you are paranoid...my take is that we need information eg...if we see unga, what else should we see to know that this unga is dangerous?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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rock
#69 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:00:24 PM
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murchr wrote:
rock wrote:
That attack left a VERY bitter taste.. To the extent that they even dare/have time to shoot people who are lying down is just unthinkable,our police force needs a MAJOR overhaul!


We always point fingers on the wrong people...we as a people need to change. We are hiding information about these thugs. Youth in Garisa were seen celebrating when this massacre happened. If the GSU is sent there...all sort of cries will be heard from human rights groups etc..up to today we have no law inplace that can be used against these people so even when the cops arrest people on suspicion they cant take them to court nor hold them for more than 48hrs. How is the police expected to work. Would you have the morale to do it if it was you? I am not absorbing them from corruption and laxity claims but i think our security should be the responsibility of each and everyone.

I personally would like to hear/see our media getting more aggressive not in condemning the cops/govt but in educating Kenyans on how a grenade looks like...on the powders that are being discovered in bags, and any other weapon associated with terror. By the way, does the 999 call line work? Are there new numbers?

Citizen policing would be a time bomb in kenya (pardon the pun). There is a great probability that innocent people will be lynched. As evidenced from essyks analysis above we are not trained for such stuff. I dont dial 999 when i have a problem printing a doc coz... you guessed it? Ya,Its not their job! Similarly human rights guys are simply justifying their salaries by crying foul even when its not necessary.The police should get their act together-serve and protect. No excuses
essyk
#70 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2012 8:03:26 PM
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murchr wrote:
essyk wrote:
murchr wrote:
I am not absorbing them from corruption and laxity claims but i think our security should be the responsibility of each and everyone.




Am I paranoid?

On the red....to suck up, swallow up etc...


I think u meant absolve? unless nimetupa wood.


And yes, you are paranoid...my take is that we need information eg...if we see unga, what else should we see to know that this unga is dangerous?

A person carrying it suspicioulsy is enough.
People carrying drugs are busted cz they are always nervous.
Kenyans tufunzwe facial profiling and the more paranoid we become the better.smile
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