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Understanding dowry terms in intermarriages
Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Alpha, In your culture,there is the spirit (positive) which symbolises something.In the 1.2 Mirrion case,is there any spirit?.It could be there and i think it's a negative spirit by all means....ama? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/13/2010 Posts: 869 Location: Nairobi
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Like @Guka says, in the Agikuyu culture all these things are not literal unless of course you are meeting a very backward father in law. That said however, a lot of power lies in the bride's hands. She can 'dictate' that her fiance can only pay so much or give a clue to her family of what to expect. I always say, sit down with your folks, ask their expectations and then agree. By the way, all before the jamaa shows up, or before you set a date. And certainly before you get pregnant. A lot of course depends on how free she is with her folks... Once they know what to expect its much easier. Of course if he shows up with a Beamer when she claims he drives a Corolla the story changes.. ....above all, to stand.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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To some communities, like the Kikuyu, cash equivalent is acceptable. To others it may not be acceptable. @nakujua, we don't live in the barter trade era, we live in a monetary system. In negotiations, you'll be given a list of dowry requirements, and there are things you'll find yourself paying the cash equivalent of. Understanding the dowry terms is not as hard as it seems. Before you visit your supposed future in-laws, you need to have an idea what may be required. You need to have an idea of the steps involved, etc. That's why you look for someone from your future bride's community, someone who knows how dowry works. This is for guidance purposes. Confusion comes in when you have no idea what is being asked or you think it borders on the absurd. Even among Kikuyus (I'm just wondering why people aren't talking about other tribes), you'll find there's some differences (even if it is kidogo) between Kyuks from Kiambu, Nyeri or even Muranga. Kwa hivyo ukitaka bibi, it's very important to know what kind of culture they follow, if at all they do. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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There are guys who give more than what was asked.Some guys even build houses for the in laws I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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digitek1 wrote:There are guys who give more than what was asked.Some guys even build houses for the in laws That's why ni muhimu to have someone from the bride's community on your side who knows dowry requirements, to avoid exploitation. Mtu asifikirie manzi akiingia box clan yote imeingia box. One may be in for a rude shock. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/14/2009 Posts: 2,057
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Jus Blazin wrote:To some communities, like the Kikuyu, cash equivalent is acceptable. To others it may not be acceptable. @nakujua, we don't live in the barter trade era, we live in a monetary system. In negotiations, you'll be given a list of dowry requirements, and there are things you'll find yourself paying the cash equivalent of.
Understanding the dowry terms is not as hard as it seems. Before you visit your supposed future in-laws, you need to have an idea what may be required. You need to have an idea of the steps involved, etc. That's why you look for someone from your future bride's community, someone who knows how dowry works. This is for guidance purposes. Confusion comes in when you have no idea what is being asked or you think it borders on the absurd.
Even among Kikuyus (I'm just wondering why people aren't talking about other tribes), you'll find there's some differences (even if it is kidogo) between Kyuks from Kiambu, Nyeri or even Muranga. Kwa hivyo ukitaka bibi, it's very important to know what kind of culture they follow, if at all they do. my point is that this is not tradition or culture we are following - its just a form of biashara.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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nakujua wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:To some communities, like the Kikuyu, cash equivalent is acceptable. To others it may not be acceptable. @nakujua, we don't live in the barter trade era, we live in a monetary system. In negotiations, you'll be given a list of dowry requirements, and there are things you'll find yourself paying the cash equivalent of.
Understanding the dowry terms is not as hard as it seems. Before you visit your supposed future in-laws, you need to have an idea what may be required. You need to have an idea of the steps involved, etc. That's why you look for someone from your future bride's community, someone who knows how dowry works. This is for guidance purposes. Confusion comes in when you have no idea what is being asked or you think it borders on the absurd.
Even among Kikuyus (I'm just wondering why people aren't talking about other tribes), you'll find there's some differences (even if it is kidogo) between Kyuks from Kiambu, Nyeri or even Muranga. Kwa hivyo ukitaka bibi, it's very important to know what kind of culture they follow, if at all they do. my point is that this is not tradition or culture we are following - its just a form of biashara. @nakujua, anza kujua vitu. It's culture/tradition. The thing is, the mode of payment of dowry is what has changed. Not the basic dowry requirements e.g goats, etc. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Any correlation between dowry prize and quality of marriage? People should not demand stuff but rather allow people to express gratitude in their own way because dowry has been misused and abused. I read in one of our dailies about this lady who's fiancee was so broke she ended up paying her own dowry! Everything came out of her own pocket and the groom's party was received with joy. Then they fell apart and she was devastated. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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