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Kratos
#61 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:28:08 AM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
Kratos wrote:
selah wrote:
As much as I pity TNA supporters the fact is our politics are never issue based bcoz if they were, all those supporters wuld have realise Uhuru has never done anything since he became a minister.


First and foremost, we don't need any pity. Well I agree with you that Kenyan politics has never been issued based and I can bet you ALL politicians will all say the same things we want to hear. Thirdly, unless you come from Gatundu you have no factual basis to claim he has not done anything.From the way you put it, you seem not to have been around during budget days when he delivered budgets that to be fair were lauded for being impressive and development conscious by most observers. That tells you he was doing a good job in his ministry. Unless there are duties under his ministry at the time that he did not perform to your expectations you're much welcome to highlight them.
Most commentators here are not coming out clearly to raise issues regarding his performance or otherwise. All am seeing here is the usual Kenyan type broadsides that are neither here nor there.
Make no mistake If he is on the ballot paper I will vote for him. If he is not then too bad i will vote for someone else. One thing i know SITANG'OA RELI and life will go on!!


Did he make a great budget speech and not implement?

@Kratos, you keep throwing around, "let's have factual discussions blah blah blah..and provide evidence...", why don't you provide evidence to counter the allegations made by @Pariah...it works both ways you know....


@ Nostop.. @Pariah has thrown around allegations and I have merely asked for evidence so how exactly do i give my own evidence??d'oh! d'oh!
As regards the budget, i have pointed out that UK did well. In my opinion the implementation was carried out as well as could have been. Since you are the one who disapproves isn't it logical for you to back it up?

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
selah
#62 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:28:48 AM
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One scandal pple want us to assume it is not there is funding retaliation attacks against Kikuyu perceived enemies.Nguyai confirmed his involvement during cross examination.He is a suspect of Genocide/crime against humanity.

May be his supporters might claim its a witch hunt forgetting that waki a kenyan had named him after interviewing real kenyans.

Another thing that people fail to understand is that prior to his appointment as a nominated MP and subsequently minister for local government...Uhuru did not feature anywhere in the local politics leave alone fight for the rights of the oppressed Kenyans like what Martha karua & Raila did,he was comfortably enjoying the trappings of power and his ascension to politics was thru a tyrant (Moi).

As a finance minister apart from the glaring 'errors' in the budget his stimulus program has not only plunged kenya into an economic plateau but been full of corruption from kazi kwa vijana initiative to the youth fund..actually I dont even know what this stimulus program achieved as the economy has been contracting since its launch.

I would really like TNA supporters to atleast enumerate Uhuru's achievements and Why we shld vote for him...another thing ...how did TNA decide on Uhuru as their flag bearer was their a democratic process to choose him?





'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
2012
#63 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:37:10 AM
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pariah wrote:
2012 wrote:
wilyum wrote:
i admired the whole event setup,i wonder where the money to setup all that came from.



Are you serious?



try the many scandals in the past 10 years, any one of them!!!!


Ati scandals? i Believe we haven't seen nothing yet. All of them are eyeing the cookie jar.

BBI will solve it
:)
McReggae
#64 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:41:35 AM
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selah wrote:
how did TNA decide on Uhuru as their flag bearer was their a democratic process to choose him?


C'mon boss, only ODM is expected to have internal democracy!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Kratos
#65 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 10:58:05 AM
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selah wrote:
Uhuru did not feature anywhere in the local politics leave alone fight for the rights of the oppressed Kenyans like what Martha karua & Raila did,he was comfortably enjoying the trappings of power and his ascension to politics was thru a tyrant (Moi).

As a finance minister apart from the glaring 'errors' in the budget his stimulus program has not only plunged kenya into an economic plateau but been full of corruption from kazi kwa vijana initiative to the youth fund..actually I dont even know what this stimulus program achieved as the economy has been contracting since its launch.


Well, he stands accused of crimes against humanity and no one disputes that. Unless you're the judge, prosecutor and executioner i believe we have the ICC for that.

Who said you have to have been the second liberation to warrant a title of politician doing something for Kenyans. Actually most of the so called reformists have ended up being the biggest disappointments and jokers Kenya has ever seen ..I don't even need to name them one by one.
About being born with silver spoon up his mouth, well that's a cheap dig at him since its no fault of his.
These "GLARING" errors in the budget speech can you please substantiate how they eventually cost the mwananchi?
As regards the Kazi kwa vijana we all know who is responsible since treasury dispatched the cash to the relevant office.
Are you saying the economic stimulus plan is responsible for the "stagnation" of the Kenyan economy?
I believe its not my place to campaign for him but it would be better if guys here would refrain from allegations that are baseless and inept.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
selah
#66 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:17:58 AM
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@kratos if you have been following CBK press briefing you will have heard the governor criticizing treasury for what we are experiencing in the Kenyan economy especially the weakening KSH and the rising inflation.

The IMF has also criticized treasury on its tax exemptions policy which has impacted negatively on revenue collection..the other day I was in a meeting and a KRA official was complaining about the scrapping of income tax filling...which has made it difficult for KRA to keep tabs on taxpayers...

When you see a currency speculative attack, like we have witnessed in this few months, it is symptomatic of a very weak economic policy and Uhuru, the treasury head, bears all responsibility for what we are experiencing now.

DO you know treasury has officials in every level of the government ensuring the money allocated is utilized efficiently...so in a way every fraud or corruption in this ministries involves treasury since one signatory comes from treasury.


'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
McReggae
#67 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:26:59 AM
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Gado on UK working with the youth!!

https://twitter.com/#!/RobertAlai/status/204849361245581313/photo/1
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
nostoppingthis
#68 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:57:12 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Gado on UK working with the youth!!

https://twitter.com/#!/RobertAlai/status/204849361245581313/photo/1


itz
#69 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:13:22 PM
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selah wrote:
@kratos if you have been following CBK press briefing you will have heard the governor criticizing treasury for what we are experiencing in the Kenyan economy especially the weakening KSH and the rising inflation.

The IMF has also criticized treasury on its tax exemptions policy which has impacted negatively on revenue collection..the other day I was in a meeting and a KRA official was complaining about the scrapping of income tax filling...which has made it difficult for KRA to keep tabs on taxpayers...

When you see a currency speculative attack, like we have witnessed in this few months, it is symptomatic of a very weak economic policy and Uhuru, the treasury head, bears all responsibility for what we are experiencing now.

DO you know treasury has officials in every level of the government ensuring the money allocated is utilized efficiently...so in a way every fraud or corruption in this ministries involves treasury since one signatory comes from treasury.




@selah.u have nothing on Uhuru,it almost sounds that you trying to look for everything that is not there.Uhuru and his team did their part by stimulating the economy after post election mess that saw the growth slow from 7% to under 2%.Any smart treasury/central bank in the world would have taken the same measures under the same circumstances.On the issue of weakened currency that was because of weak macroeconomic conditions in kenya and many other countries(UG,TZ,Nigeria,Brazil,India etc and it was well cordinated by hedgefunds,look at your charts for proof).Blame that on your MPs because they are responsible for fiscal policy implementation like cutting recurrent expenditure(which uhuru tried to have the parliament do) and laws that cut on unnecessecary imports to try shore up our dollar reserves.The technocrats at treasury are very smart people and you cannot blame uhuru or the technocrats on corruption in the ministries.Once the money has been released to the individual ministries the responsibilities lay squarely with them.
@kratos.Great job giving the facts here,there is too much baseless accusations goin on here.On the issue of being born rich i say to the people no one choses where they are born,what you do in between is all that matters.Uhuru's launch was the best launch i have seen so far and him/or his organizers were very creative.People should learn,appreciate and congratulate good effort,it will make u a better person i promise.
Impunity
#70 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:27:40 PM
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kyt wrote:
digitek1 wrote:
should a son be condemned for the shortcomings of his father? then so many including kasin would never have amounted to much

even in Bible days it was u and ur family and goats and chicken and cows


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