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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In light of the new Court orders of today (NB I say this based on what has been posted here, trusting it to be legitimate), the autorities - Police and immigration official MUST comply and present Miguna in Court tomorrow but under guard.
Once there parties can argue their case on this particular issue - on how Miguna is to be let into the Country eventually.
That does he have to fill the immigration papers to get a new passport or ....
I suspect the Court will ask Miguna to comply.
Then everyone will give a sigh of relief.
That shall never happen. Miguna will not see any courtroom in Kenya tomorrow. So we shall continue with this poppy cock scenarios. In the meantime I hear that masais have fake honey. Miguna is NOT yet in Kenya. He is in “no man’s land” outside the jurisdiction of the court. Until cleared by immigration the court order is not enforceable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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hardwood wrote:alma1 wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In light of the new Court orders of today (NB I say this based on what has been posted here, trusting it to be legitimate), the autorities - Police and immigration official MUST comply and present Miguna in Court tomorrow but under guard.
Once there parties can argue their case on this particular issue - on how Miguna is to be let into the Country eventually.
That does he have to fill the immigration papers to get a new passport or ....
I suspect the Court will ask Miguna to comply.
Then everyone will give a sigh of relief.
That shall never happen. Miguna will not see any courtroom in Kenya tomorrow. So we shall continue with this poppy cock scenarios. In the meantime I hear that masais have fake honey. Miguna is NOT yet in Kenya. He is in “no man’s land” outside the jurisdiction of the court. Until cleared by immigration the court order is not enforceable. Wacha nikuwache wewe. It seems you get paid based on the number of silly arguments you can perpetuate in a day. You do realise that he's currently under arrest of Kenyan security officials? I think I'll leave my contributions on wazua to reading. It shall be a case study on "how to lie on the internet and expect people not to call you a grown up liar." Too bad the Kenya times, sorry, nation newspapers, can't quote from it. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Believe you me the Govt needs to wiggle out this even more urgently than anybody else. The Court order must have come as a timely relief for them. They cant wait to comply, and somewhat disentangle themselves out of this situation without losing too much face. The optics are damning and the gain is zero. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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hardwood wrote:alma1 wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In light of the new Court orders of today (NB I say this based on what has been posted here, trusting it to be legitimate), the autorities - Police and immigration official MUST comply and present Miguna in Court tomorrow but under guard.
Once there parties can argue their case on this particular issue - on how Miguna is to be let into the Country eventually.
That does he have to fill the immigration papers to get a new passport or ....
I suspect the Court will ask Miguna to comply.
Then everyone will give a sigh of relief.
That shall never happen. Miguna will not see any courtroom in Kenya tomorrow. So we shall continue with this poppy cock scenarios. In the meantime I hear that masais have fake honey. Miguna is NOT yet in Kenya. He is in “no man’s land” outside the jurisdiction of the court. Until cleared by immigration the court order is not enforceable. All the police will do is release miguna from their custody and let him proceed to sort his immigration issues. And once he is cleared he will be "arrested/taken into police custody" and taken to court. It would be an illegality to sidestep immigration and sneak an alien from the airport to a court.
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Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:Swenani wrote:guru267 wrote:jgithige wrote:hardwood wrote:Swenani wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:And just like that Miguna Miguna becomes more famous.
No airline can take a rowdy passenger. None. Kenya is about to get that US to Kenya direct flight.
Saa zingine you have to wonder what type of thinking goes on with gov't officials.
Sending goons into the airport without clearance to push a passenger into a plane is the height of sillyness.
If Miguna refuses to go, then what?
By the way, the fella is a Kenyan watu wapende wasipende. Wapost wazua wasipost. Even if you take a piece of paper called a passport. He's still a Kenyan. Get used to it.
Total waste of time when Kenyans have bigger issues to deal with. Like fake honey. No airport can allow an international traveler to pass a point of entry without a passport. This is not a fish market. Miguna would have submitted his Canadian passport which is what he used to travel and ride direct to Nyayo hse for his kenyan passport. JKIA has just passed a test. They've proved to FAA that they can not be intimidated by a bully. Why can't the gaarment use his confiscated Ke PP? Don't they have it Because it was invalidated and destroyed/perforated as it had been acquired illegally. Question if you have a Kenyan ID forget even the passport shouldn't you be allowed into Kenya? In some youtube video one can see Miguna flash out an ID for Kenya @jgithige first issue is that Miguna is holding a Kenyan national ID illegally. Under the old constitution he was supposed to hand in all documents that identify him as Kenyan as soon as he acquired Canadian citizenship. Secondly the Kenyan national ID cannot be used as a travel document except within the EAC excluding Tanzania and Burundi. If he was clever he would have flown from Dubai to Uganda using his Canadian passport and enter Kenya from Uganda using is illegally held National ID. The first before your first, The Judge order ID to issue Miguna with travel docs and facilitate his entry into Kenya...What's your understanding of that order? A visa issued on his Canadian passport is a valid document A visa is not a travel document but a travel facilitation document. ID were required to ISSUE travel docs and FACILITATE his entry back to Kenya Eeh a visa is not a travel document? Present your valid visa in your expired passport to any immigration and report back here Go to JKIA with your passport without a canadian visa and tell us if you leave Kenya. Just for your lazy eye A visa (from the Latin charta visa, meaning "paper which has been seen")[1] is a conditional authorization granted by a country to a foreigner, allowing them to enter, remain within, or to leave that country. Visas typically include limits on the duration of the foreigner's stay, territory within the country they may enter, the dates they may enter, the number of permitted visits or an individual's right to work in the country in question. Don't disappiont me, at this rate you will argue yellow fever certificate is a travel document. Assume you have a one year visa into the US and the following two scenerios 1. After 7 months, your passport expires and you were due to travel to Kenya in the 8 months. Will you be able to travel without renewing your passport?Justify your answer  The US will not issue a visa if your passport is to expire in duration of your travel. You will have to renew before expiration.2. After 12 months, you fail to leave US.However, due to an emergency in the 13th Month, you are forced to travel to Kenya, will you be allowed to travel? Justify your answer. No. You are an undocumented immigrant with an invalid passport (expired). You can be deported but a transit visa is issued. I dont even think an expired passport is prove of citizenshipBased on your two responses above, a) What is a travel document? A Passport, a visa,b) What is an entry facilitation document? A plane ticket, and the yellow fever cardIf I'm in the US, I don't need a visa to exit US to travel to Kenya but can you exit US with your expired passport which has a valid US visa? You cannot leave the US without a valid passport unless you are being deported. You need a visa if you are not travelling using a Kenyan passport further more, depending on what route you will be flying using, you may need additional transit visas. Try Britain. Wacha ukora,all the examples are on assumption that you're using a KE.PP 1. I can exit US with my expired US visa as long as my passport is valid, the only bad side is that my chances of getting a US visa next time are close to nil. -Point 1 for you to note-VISA is not a travel doc but a passport is Stop twisting the scenario, b4 being issued with a US visa in the 1st place, your passport should have been valid for the duration of travel. I agree, a Kenyan citizen with a valid Kenyan Passport can travel back to Kenya but, he will still need a transit visa exp if passing through countries that have no aggreement with Jamu (eg Britain). ANY FOREIGNOR OR PERSON CALLING HIMSELF A KENYAN TRAVELLING WITH AN ALIEN PASSPORT WILL REQUIRE A VISA TO TRAVEL/GAIN ENTRY.2. You cannot leave US with your expired PP unless you are crossing over to Mexico or have valid travel papers issued by your govt- Point 2 to note, Passport is the travel doc No dispute about that read my response again 3.No one said PP is a proof of citizenship. It is actually. I dont know if an expired one is for Kenyans.4. If I'm travelling to Britain, will the immigration at US ask for my visa or my passport to exit US? YES5. I know for fact a friend who has his VISA in an expired passport and has to travel with both the expired PP and new passport when going to US of A.That is standard protocol, the new passport clearly states that he originally travelled with passport no (A123456) which he has to present to the immigration officer at the point of entry in the US6. If visa is a travel doc, how was MM allowed to travel to Kenya without a VISA? He must have had a visa, on his Canadian passport, if am not wrong the immigration dept said it was expired. Ati yellow fever and air ticket facilitate entry into a foreign country  Let me give you an example of South Sudan where Kenyans get a visa upon arrival, please leave JKIA with your passport and when you get to Juba, present your yellow fever certificate and air ticket to the immigration officials to facilitate your entry and tell them that you've already traveled and arrived in Juba you don't need a visa to facilitate your entry since a VISA is only a travel doc and not an entry doc. You should have at least argued that air ticket is a travel doc. I dont think you understand what "facilitate" means. "assist the progress of" The air ticket will get you there, with a private jet you may not need the assistance. Now that we are on this, if the yellow fever cert is a requirement, it is as important as the visa, passport, REQUIRED in your travel.A passport allows you to TRAVEL a visa allows you entry. A passport is a requirement of travel where it is necessitated just like a visa or a yellow fever cert. If am flying to UG, i do not need my passport due to an mutual agreement btn the countries, just as I will not need a visa, or a yellow fever cert.Quote:an official document issued by a government, certifying the holder's identity and citizenship and entitling them to travel under its protection to and from foreign countries. Quote:an endorsement on a passport indicating that the holder is allowed to enter, leave, or stay for a specified period of time in a country. How is that not clear? At every point of exit, you must show your passport and visa and/or applications if the countries have an understanding of visa issuance at the airportLet me go cry Pole "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:hardwood wrote:alma1 wrote:Ngalaka wrote:In light of the new Court orders of today (NB I say this based on what has been posted here, trusting it to be legitimate), the autorities - Police and immigration official MUST comply and present Miguna in Court tomorrow but under guard.
Once there parties can argue their case on this particular issue - on how Miguna is to be let into the Country eventually.
That does he have to fill the immigration papers to get a new passport or ....
I suspect the Court will ask Miguna to comply.
Then everyone will give a sigh of relief.
That shall never happen. Miguna will not see any courtroom in Kenya tomorrow. So we shall continue with this poppy cock scenarios. In the meantime I hear that masais have fake honey. Miguna is NOT yet in Kenya. He is in “no man’s land” outside the jurisdiction of the court. Until cleared by immigration the court order is not enforceable. Wacha nikuwache wewe. It seems you get paid based on the number of silly arguments you can perpetuate in a day. You do realise that he's currently under arrest of Kenyan security officials? I think I'll leave my contributions on wazua to reading. It shall be a case study on "how to lie on the internet and expect people not to call you a grown up liar." Too bad the Kenya times, sorry, nation newspapers, can't quote from it. The release the court order refers to is the release from police confinement at the airport, not a release from the airport. He still has to deal with immigration. As I said all the police will do is release miguna from their custody and let him proceed to sort his immigration issues. And once he is cleared he will be "arrested/taken into police custody" and taken to court. It would be an illegality to sidestep immigration and sneak an alien from the airport to a court.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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  "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Release is a complex process.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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hardwood wrote:alma1 wrote:I wonder if Jubilee will follow the law and follow court orders. Even the new and improved court orders.
oh I'm just kidding. I'm still waiting for laptops.
Inaitwa serekal ya mabavu. Then pretend you are following a law that doesn't exist. Of course they will comply with the new court order and follow the law and release him from police custody. Then he will be required to walk to the immigration desk and get clearance to enter the country where he will need to present a travel document as per the law. Miguna should follow the law too. He lost his Kenyan citizenship when he obtained Canadian prior to 2010, he was expected to make a simple reapplication to regain it but refused. You can't be yelling about following the law yet you are the # 1 breaker. After all this publicity, he will still end up signing those docs to regain it and still pay a lot of legal fees, wasted time, torn suit...for what? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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So the court nullified Matiangi's order which means that MM returns to the status he was prior to the nullification. Which as far as I understand means that he goes back to being only a Canadian.
Reason being that he got his Canadian citizenship before Kenya allowed dual citizenship. At that point in time you did not need to denounce your citizenship as you lost it immediately you took on another one. Someone posted that the ID went around all the countries with high Kenyan populations to educate and allow people to re-apply for their citizenship. Which as far as we know he did not (at least he has not claimed otherwise).
In my humble opinion since I am no lawyer and barely grasp what's going on, if the judges were thorough, they should have addressed this issue starting at the point where he took Canadian citizenship. To me this is like a bank robber who claims that the millions of cash in the sack under his bed belongs to him, and the judge allows him to keep it while the case is being determined. It makes not sense.
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