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We’ll hang vandals, warns President Uhuru Kenyatta http://www.nation.co.ke/...9514-3bqgk0z/index.html This is how tyranny of numbers will end! Rubbing my hands in glee.. 
Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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mkeiy wrote:masukuma wrote:I don't get some people... watu wanalalamika na SGR iko hapa already Eish! Bickering about the price and usefulness of SGR will not help anyone! Iko hapa already! Ni kama Thika road... iko hapa...haiendi mahali!! Start getting some utility out of it! Si some people in 2007 were complaining eti in 40 something years of independence hatujawahi ongeza hata inch moja ya reli? Sasa iko hapa mnaanza kulalamika bei? Reli sio plot ruai!! @Masukuma, chills bana. Ni Madaraka Day. Have people complained, or, are they highlighting some issue,PRICING? What's wrong with that? If the king is naked, he ought to be told so. Here is why. SGR-cargo-pricingaccording to Business daily, a 20ft container @50k to ICD, then another 10k - 20k approx trucking to the door. Total=60k70k.Compare that to using road from Msa to your door(not beyond Nai) at 50k. For a 40ft container weighing 29tons, going by Business daily, 7 Shs per ton per km. This container will cost me; 7shs*29ton*450km=91,350Shs to ICD. add another 15k-20k to my door to make it 106k - 121k. On the road, I get the same at 90k,to my door. As I write this, I have one on the road from Msa, what would persuade me to use SGR? Ama mambo ya economic sense tutupilie mbali? Thanks @mkeiy  I have been hoping this debate would be taken up by people who actually use these services. Sadly, its been hopelessly politicized and anyone who dares question is an enemy of development. All in all, from the look of things, we might just have to be ready to run SGR as a national pride thing. Not a commercially viable enterprise.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side. The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700 When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means. I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas. Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now. I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Hardwood, on this one you are losing it. No one is saying that its not a good thing. If I remember correctly this was a Kibaki idea. So chill kidogo. We are talking numbers here and areas of improvement. First as Mkeiy has clearly explained to you, the costs for a transporter are not worth the hassle. Maybe if you read what he said, he meant. Can SGR consider reducing the costs for transporters on the reli? I didn't see anywhere he said Jubilee failed. Which seems to be your come back position. I have just explained why a reasonable person will not go to Syokimau to take the train. Do you know the matatu to Miritini? You do know there is no public transport to Miritini don't you? So I take a cab to Syokimau for 1k. Meander through that Mombasa road traffic. Then I pay 700 bob to Miritini. Then I get stuck there coz there's no way to get to the Island. And the traffic from Miritini to Mombasa. Have you ever been there? Ama ni domo domo tu. You know sometimes always supporting things to get paid on social media or to support uthamakistan requires reality. What we are saying is that kazi ya SGR ndio imeanza. So let them fix the issues from this great Kibaki idea. Sawa? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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 Na hiyo ugali ya Jakom haina hata omena jamaneni?  Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:Hardwood, on this one you are losing it.
No one is saying that its not a good thing. If I remember correctly this was a Kibaki idea. So chill kidogo.
We are talking numbers here and areas of improvement.
First as Mkeiy has clearly explained to you, the costs for a transporter are not worth the hassle. Maybe if you read what he said, he meant. Can SGR consider reducing the costs for transporters on the reli?
I didn't see anywhere he said Jubilee failed. Which seems to be your come back position.
I have just explained why a reasonable person will not go to Syokimau to take the train.
Do you know the matatu to Miritini? You do know there is no public transport to Miritini don't you?
So I take a cab to Syokimau for 1k. Meander through that Mombasa road traffic. Then I pay 700 bob to Miritini. Then I get stuck there coz there's no way to get to the Island. And the traffic from Miritini to Mombasa. Have you ever been there? Ama ni domo domo tu.
You know sometimes always supporting things to get paid on social media or to support uthamakistan requires reality.
What we are saying is that kazi ya SGR ndio imeanza. So let them fix the issues from this great Kibaki idea. Sawa? You can ask Ohuru to extend the SGR to your door hapo South C. .
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:mkeiy wrote:masukuma wrote:I don't get some people... watu wanalalamika na SGR iko hapa already Eish! Bickering about the price and usefulness of SGR will not help anyone! Iko hapa already! Ni kama Thika road... iko hapa...haiendi mahali!! Start getting some utility out of it! Si some people in 2007 were complaining eti in 40 something years of independence hatujawahi ongeza hata inch moja ya reli? Sasa iko hapa mnaanza kulalamika bei? Reli sio plot ruai!! @Masukuma, chills bana. Ni Madaraka Day. Have people complained, or, are they highlighting some issue,PRICING? What's wrong with that? If the king is naked, he ought to be told so. Here is why. SGR-cargo-pricingaccording to Business daily, a 20ft container @50k to ICD, then another 10k - 20k approx trucking to the door. Total=60k70k.Compare that to using road from Msa to your door(not beyond Nai) at 50k. For a 40ft container weighing 29tons, going by Business daily, 7 Shs per ton per km. This container will cost me; 7shs*29ton*450km=91,350Shs to ICD. add another 15k-20k to my door to make it 106k - 121k. On the road, I get the same at 90k,to my door. As I write this, I have one on the road from Msa, what would persuade me to use SGR? Ama mambo ya economic sense tutupilie mbali? I think the issue of 'pricing' should be debated on the angle of 'use' as opposed to 'the cost of building it'. The last one does not matter! The cost of use is a more 'useful' angle of debate but it's all up to customers! Si wache tuone kama watu hawatatumia reli kubeba mizigo! ukitaka kungoja mzigo itoke Mombasa by road - ni sawa! kuna wale watabeba na reli depending na ni nini hiyo inabebwa! wacha tuone! @Masukuma. Hata wewe ume-stoop this low? Please leave that akina @harrydre na @Muchknow. My focus is on PRICING. Have you seen any comment from me on SGR's construction? I support it. However, without looking at the economic sense, we'll be losing it. Building for the heck of it. Not for economic transformation. I would be happy if market forces determine how I transport. But when you hear of 40% of cargo being allocated to SGR( which may be approx 20% more expensive) , then dear @Wazuans I ask, WHAT IS IT WE WERE AIMING AT?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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alma1 wrote:To add on to what Mkeiy just laid out in numbers. Let me talk about the passenger side.
The train to mombasa is ksh. 700 Great
You forget it's not in Nairobi, it's Syokimau. So you have to find your way through Nairobi to Syokimau to pay 700
When you get to Mombasa, you are not really in Mombasa. You are in Miritini. For those who know the traffic from Miritini to the island, you know what hell means.
I actually love the fact that it ends in such far off areas. So it's now upto the gov't to create an easier way for people to get to these areas.
Otherwise, we shall all have to do with going to Tea Room to get that bus. It's more convinient. For now.
I do support the railway by the way...However, numbers don't lie. @Alma, Some business will emerge to fill the gap, similar to how boda bodas emerged to ferry people from the main roads to the interiors. The saving in time comparing the road and the rail far outweighs the inconveniences of getting to/out of the stations. Let this good idea bring forth better ones. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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