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Impunity
#651 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 5:53:28 PM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
Dahatre wrote:
maka wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
maka wrote:
hisah wrote:
maka wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf



Under subscription very fast


That Interest rate is more like testing the waters smile

Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!

The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?

Stick with the hated equities...

There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can.


Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine...

A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku!


Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity.


If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment?
But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit


Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)...

If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge...


Equity is high return but verrrry risky.
Imagine if you edged KQ and Mumias shares in 2002 for a 30 year window viz someone who bought IFB at 15% at the time.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Impunity
#652 Posted : Monday, March 20, 2017 6:01:31 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
maka wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
maka wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
maka wrote:
MadDoc wrote:
maka wrote:
hisah wrote:
maka wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
hisah wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
maka wrote:
https://www.centralbank.go.ke/uploads/treasury_bonds_prospectuses/1995993595_March%202017%20-%20TREASURY%20BOND%20PROSPECTUS.pdf



Under subscription very fast


That Interest rate is more like testing the waters smile

Some dividend yields are almost paying similar rates!!!

The headlines are now spotting that fund managers have moved into the treasuries market as equities are RIP. Do you know what happens when a trade/market becomes crowded...?

Stick with the hated equities...

There is a lot of interest from newbies in the Tbill/bond market too. Another stock rout will kill all bulls and send them scampering to Tbills/bonds then the NSE20 bottoms out and the crowd is trapped in govt paper. Buying stocks now affords you a nice window where you won't chase prices and you are able to accumulate as much as you possibly can.


Isnt getting trapped based on your investment strategy?If I can comfortably hold a 15-20 or 30 year bond I guess one is fine...

A fund can hold out for that long, but not wanjiku!


Boss I hold...1.11.20...1.12.20...1.11.30...good amounts.I am holding them till maturity.


If you're getting a return of >13% on an IB, doesn't that qualify as a sound investment?
But let's see how he responds to your Wanjiku bit


Personally it is...its obvious in the long run equities outperform bonds but you have to have your eye on the market at all times (on equities i.e)...

If I had @Maka's money I would use my bond proceeds to buy equities as a hedge...


working on that makes a lot of sense with this depressed prices...btw CBA offers a facility on bonds...up to a max of 80% of holdings...72month payment period.


More details on the CBA deal please?


Whats your email I forward it to you....


2008impunity (at) gmail(dot)com
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Gatheuzi
#653 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:40:15 AM
Rank: Veteran

Joined: 8/16/2009
Posts: 994
M-Akiba to be launched tommorrow.

Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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maka
#654 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:49:56 AM
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Joined: 4/22/2010
Posts: 11,522
Location: Nairobi
Gatheuzi wrote:
M-Akiba to be launched tommorrow.



Its a good thing hope it works...Imagine in 3 years you will be up 30%.
possunt quia posse videntur
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Chaka
#655 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:14:29 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Can someone explain about what happens should the T-Bill/Bond investor die before maturity of the investment?
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Spikes
#656 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:28:05 AM
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Joined: 9/20/2015
Posts: 2,811
Location: Mombasa
Chaka wrote:
Can someone explain about what happens should the T-Bill/Bond investor die before maturity of the investment?

Next of kin takes over.
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Chaka
#657 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:42:40 AM
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Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Ok,the problem is that I saw a bond application form which only requires the name of next of kin,no contact details required?Would be tricky should the next of kin not even be aware about the investment.
Spikes wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Can someone explain about what happens should the T-Bill/Bond investor die before maturity of the investment?

Next of kin takes over.
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Angelica _ann
#658 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:44:10 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,937
Spikes wrote:
Chaka wrote:
Can someone explain about what happens should the T-Bill/Bond investor die before maturity of the investment?

Next of kin takes over.

If you hide the details from spouse/next of kin, then they are taken to unclaimed items after some period ..... i think 3 years for the Gava (read Jubilee) to use in 'developing' the economy on your behalf to better the life/lives of your next of kin. You know where your money will go!!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Ebenyo
#659 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:29:39 PM
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Joined: 4/4/2016
Posts: 2,021
Location: Kitale
anyone with insider knowledge to post today t.bond auction results?
Towards the goal of financial freedom
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Pesa Nane
#660 Posted : Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:44:27 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 5/25/2012
Posts: 4,105
Location: 08c
Ebenyo wrote:
anyone with insider knowledge to post today t.bond auction results?

Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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