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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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Horton wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/Co-op-Bank-reveals-Sh1-billion-locked-in-Chase-Imperial/539550-3943520-nekj4c/index.html
Woow! 1B Some negative news right there.. Hope they can recover the missing funds
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/1/2007 Posts: 539 Location: Nakuru
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obiero wrote:Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share. By approximately 20% For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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winmak wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share. By approximately 20% Yes. That sounds about right.. The current price is fully baked in.. All the dividend plus bonus news has been factored in.. I will be truly surprised if the share does not dip tomorrow
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obiero wrote:winmak wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share. By approximately 20% Yes. That sounds about right.. The current price is fully baked in.. All the dividend plus bonus news has been factored in.. I will be truly surprised if the share does not dip tomorrow  This Man Obiero is out and is scouting for a drop to go back in. Obiero is gunning for 12 again after moving out at 17 raking in 5 sh per share. So if I can remember his holding @ 21500 before the dvd then he has (21500*5 = 107500 ) but I do not know his actual buying price.That price @12 he want back will deny him any other money. May be he bought when price was @IPO range of 9 many years back. Wishing him all best....sisi bado tuko Ndaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaniii!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:obiero wrote:winmak wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share. By approximately 20% Yes. That sounds about right.. The current price is fully baked in.. All the dividend plus bonus news has been factored in.. I will be truly surprised if the share does not dip tomorrow This Man Obiero is out and is scouting for a drop to go back in. Obiero is gunning for 12 again after moving out at 17 raking in 5 sh per share. So if I can remember his holding @ 21500 before the dvd then he has (21500*5 = 107500 ) but I do not know his actual buying price.That price @12 he want back will deny him any other money. May be he bought when price was @IPO range of 9 many years back. Wishing him all best....sisi bado tuko Ndaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaniii!!! Lol. I don't wish COOP ill.. I like its consistency and as a tier I bank it will definitely thrive, but right now im uneasy by the way our economy is being handled
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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By stating owners will not be diluted, this is what I was alluding to. It is true EPS, DY, NBV etc will be downgraded but the proportional ownership is not affected. Quote: The issue of bonus stocks enlarges a stockholder’s stockholding without any dilution in his proportionate ownership of the company. These shares are issued in a particular proportion to the existing holding. https://www.google.com/a...enhance-your-wealth/amp/Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,213 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:Realtreaty wrote:obiero wrote:winmak wrote:obiero wrote:Horton wrote:Gatheuzi wrote:ARAP CHARLES wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Realtreaty wrote: Going ex-DVD this Friday after having gone up to 17.50 high Will it maintain the tempo of atleast 15 and move up to its original level 20-25 like its mates @Equity How much will the new to be created shares dilute the Pombe? and could dilution increase activity as we saw in safaricom thereby helping tap investors to fund M-coop cash as a line to make money through Mobile money? The price will come down ex-dvd due to dillution.not everyone will like to be dilluted. Ebenyo... BONUS DEADLINE IS JUNE 30TH. It seems big dillution will come after then for now i forsee a shorter ride from where we are today.. Bonus shares don't lead to dilution per se. Every investor will be allocated prorata number of shares based on their holdings at the closing date. Price will take the direction south, but is compensated by a much bigger float leading to a similar market cap nontheless and of course assuming efficient market dynamics. Im not so sure about that. There are more shares in the market willth demand remaining about the same all other things being equal I am sure @gatheuzi may be wrong on this aspect.. The share will need to go down ex bonus.. By how much? Ideally, it should be the equivalent of one's holding i.e if one's portfolio was KES 17,000 cum bonus it should remain at the same KES 17,000 ex bonus but with a lower price per share. By approximately 20% Yes. That sounds about right.. The current price is fully baked in.. All the dividend plus bonus news has been factored in.. I will be truly surprised if the share does not dip tomorrow This Man Obiero is out and is scouting for a drop to go back in. Obiero is gunning for 12 again after moving out at 17 raking in 5 sh per share. So if I can remember his holding @ 21500 before the dvd then he has (21500*5 = 107500 ) but I do not know his actual buying price.That price @12 he want back will deny him any other money. May be he bought when price was @IPO range of 9 many years back. Wishing him all best....sisi bado tuko Ndaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaniii!!! Lol. I don't wish COOP ill.. I like its consistency and as a tier I bank it will definitely thrive, but right now im uneasy by the way our economy is being handled Now at KES 16.65.. http://live.mystocks.co.ke/m/stock=COOP
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