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Angelica _ann
#1241 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:29:41 PM
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watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
muandiwambeu
#1242 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:44:49 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
Angelica _ann
#1243 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:55:27 PM
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Joined: 12/7/2012
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muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
muandiwambeu
#1244 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:35:17 PM
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d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
obiero
#1245 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:02:31 PM
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muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Preach muandi

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; IMH 5,000 ABP 35.55; KQ 604,200 ABP 6.96; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
VituVingiSana
#1246 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:13:38 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,220
Location: Nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
obiero wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

EABL? SCOM? DTB? TPSEA?.. Toa hio voodoo rating hapa, tafadhali!

I fully concur with you. This is maiden attempt by Hohana. The risk still larks and its too early to crown your david @vvs. Where is the track record. I do not invest with starters and especially on hope and at a premium .Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly smile
Let the heiffer prove to be a cash cow after second or third lactation.

Hmmm, I don't need to prove anything to anyone. I am quite comfy with my KK. Ohana has turned it around and is now growing it. That I like. Vision 2018. Applause Drool Applause Drool
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1247 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:16:08 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,220
Location: Nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Let us be. If you do not know what the provisioning is for... it's better to keep quiet than expose your ignorance. Back to KQ you need to go! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
muandiwambeu
#1248 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:17:50 PM
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Joined: 8/28/2015
Posts: 1,247
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Let us be. If you do not know what the provisioning is for... it's better to keep quiet than expose your ignorance. Back to KQ you need to go! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@vvs u made mi night anyway. But if u find out that your debtor is not going to sortout your debt, do you first comfort your self 50% it may be paid 50% may not or you write off?. But its already obvious it was a bad deal, kk was not doing derivatives (hedging or futures or options) with GK. How long has it taken your 'impeccable' boss to realise that. Stop pulling peoples legs soothing them that you just realised to provide only to drop the bombshell belatedly. Hizi skills za big cats twasijijua. A well said word in time is better than a false promise.
,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
VituVingiSana
#1249 Posted : Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:37:57 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,220
Location: Nairobi
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Let us be. If you do not know what the provisioning is for... it's better to keep quiet than expose your ignorance. Back to KQ you need to go! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@vvs u made mi night anyway. But if u find out that your debtor is not going to sortout your debt, do you first comfort your self 50% it may be paid 50% may not or you write off?. But its already obvious it was a bad deal, kk was not doing derivatives (hedging or futures or options) with GK. How long has it taken your 'impeccable' boss to realise that. Stop pulling peoples legs soothing them that you just realised to provide only to drop the bombshell belatedly. Hizi skills za big cats twasijijua. A well said word in time is better than a false promise.

Total has sued GoK/KPRLand hopefully a decision is reached soon but this is Kenya therefore the debt owed by KPRL (to KK) is being provided for. The provision doesn't negatively affect (operating) profits or cashflow. It's an accounting entry and the reported EPS (but not cash) will take a hit. Perhaps even a benefit as a basis for tax relief. Predates Ohana's time as CEO of KK.
So... what's your point?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
sparkly
#1250 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 7:47:31 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Let us be. If you do not know what the provisioning is for... it's better to keep quiet than expose your ignorance. Back to KQ you need to go! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@vvs u made mi night anyway. But if u find out that your debtor is not going to sortout your debt, do you first comfort your self 50% it may be paid 50% may not or you write off?. But its already obvious it was a bad deal, kk was not doing derivatives (hedging or futures or options) with GK. How long has it taken your 'impeccable' boss to realise that. Stop pulling peoples legs soothing them that you just realised to provide only to drop the bombshell belatedly. Hizi skills za big cats twasijijua. A well said word in time is better than a false promise.

Total has sued GoK/KPRLand hopefully a decision is reached soon but this is Kenya therefore the debt owed by KPRL (to KK) is being provided for. The provision doesn't negatively affect (operating) profits or cashflow. It's an accounting entry and the reported EPS (but not cash) will take a hit. Perhaps even a benefit as a basis for tax relief. Predates Ohana's time as CEO of KK.
So... what's your point?


Everybody looks at the reported EPS. Who wants to date an ugly gal in the name of inner beauty?
Life is short. Live passionately.
stock.enigma
#1251 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 9:59:00 AM
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Bottom line: You'll pay me to exit KK. So what's the point?
VituVingiSana
#1252 Posted : Thursday, December 08, 2016 11:02:46 AM
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Posts: 18,220
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
d'oh!
Angelica _ann wrote:
muandiwambeu wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
watesh wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Currently this is the 2nd best managed company listed at NSE after BAT!!!!! smile

Maybe 3rd....SCOM beats every public company in this country. I dont see any other company which can protect its market share despite it being more expensive than the rest

Over the years, Safaricom has had scandles, just suppressed because of bigbrotherhood. Many senior management have been sacked and/or forced to resign.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Every system is prone to weakness. Early detection of wanderering and adventure's is called controlling. successfully diagnostic procedures to evict and shame is a plus. Not keeping bones in the crochet or sweeping under the carpenter like it did happen here to a point of threatening the real existence of the firm. Nyenye tuachie vipofu wa hii maneno.

Exactly!!!!! KK is ahead of Safcom on that smile

Sad Who is painstakingly writing down billions of lost fuel revenues? Safcom or kk. Who is at unease with trade partners for systems gone haywire? Ofcoarse kk. @ Angelica, naelewa Christmas Carols are in the air and may have some level of influence on your logic centre but sooner or later u will be in perspective and know that, at kk, celebration time are a mile away and with uncertainties altogether.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Let us be. If you do not know what the provisioning is for... it's better to keep quiet than expose your ignorance. Back to KQ you need to go! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@vvs u made mi night anyway. But if u find out that your debtor is not going to sortout your debt, do you first comfort your self 50% it may be paid 50% may not or you write off?. But its already obvious it was a bad deal, kk was not doing derivatives (hedging or futures or options) with GK. How long has it taken your 'impeccable' boss to realise that. Stop pulling peoples legs soothing them that you just realised to provide only to drop the bombshell belatedly. Hizi skills za big cats twasijijua. A well said word in time is better than a false promise.

Total has sued GoK/KPRLand hopefully a decision is reached soon but this is Kenya therefore the debt owed by KPRL (to KK) is being provided for. The provision doesn't negatively affect (operating) profits or cashflow. It's an accounting entry and the reported EPS (but not cash) will take a hit. Perhaps even a benefit as a basis for tax relief. Predates Ohana's time as CEO of KK.
So... what's your point?


Everybody looks at the reported EPS. Who wants to date an ugly gal in the name of inner beauty?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I can wait for the Ugly Duckling to mature into a Swan in 18 months. Vision 2018.

An interesting note: KK is provisioning but not writing off the money owed by KPRL. If Total succeeds [in 1-5 years] against KPRL/GoK then the monies owed to KK will also come due. I think KPRL should sell the tanks to the OMCs to offset the debt. KK needs more storage anyway! That's 1bn+ to be written back! Nice little present.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1253 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2016 12:00:10 PM
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Love the lines waiting to fill up at KK stations! Other OMCs are also giving discounts which is either a reaction to KK or the margins are healthy enough to afford the 5/- discount and still make a decent margin.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#1254 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2016 1:01:27 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Love the lines waiting to fill up at KK stations! Other OMCs are also giving discounts which is either a reaction to KK or the margins are healthy enough to afford the 5/- discount and still make a decent margin.

so they have copy pasted
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Pesa Nane
#1255 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2016 8:49:43 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Love the lines waiting to fill up at KK stations! Other OMCs are also giving discounts which is either a reaction to KK or the margins are healthy enough to afford the 5/- discount and still make a decent margin.

I have visited 5 KK stations to register for the KK Card but it's all stories. Sad Sad
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
mlennyma
#1256 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2016 10:48:09 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Love the lines waiting to fill up at KK stations! Other OMCs are also giving discounts which is either a reaction to KK or the margins are healthy enough to afford the 5/- discount and still make a decent margin.

I have visited 5 KK stations to register for the KK Card but it's all stories. Sad Sad

Is it an office document or a petrol station document? I don't think this sensitive chip cards are supposed to be dished from petrol stations
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#1257 Posted : Friday, December 09, 2016 10:57:46 PM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Love the lines waiting to fill up at KK stations! Other OMCs are also giving discounts which is either a reaction to KK or the margins are healthy enough to afford the 5/- discount and still make a decent margin.

I have visited 5 KK stations to register for the KK Card but it's all stories. Sad Sad
What? That's just sad. Which stations?
Here how I got a card.
I went into my station and I asked for a card. I was given a form to fill in and deposit 2,000/- (or something like that) onto the card. They gave me an acknowledgment for my form and deposit. About 1 week later, I went back to the same station and they had my card.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1258 Posted : Saturday, December 10, 2016 8:10:25 PM
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@PesaNane http://www.kenolkobil.com/k-card.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Pesa Nane
#1259 Posted : Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:01:00 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:


Thanks @VVS. After the frustration I will renew the efforts after the long weekend.
Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
Realtreaty
#1260 Posted : Friday, December 16, 2016 4:48:24 PM
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Laughing out loudly enjoying life with KK
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