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alma1
#611 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2020 10:33:19 PM
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tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
alma1 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Alma, have you been tested yet, are these tests accessible? Don't recommend what can't and won't happen. Underreporting and false presentation may be the norm in this epidemic, but it can do us great damage.


I am telling you what needs to happen.

Find my first post on this thread. You shall see I said. Test and isolate.

If you are not being tested, that's not my fault. Expect what's going to happen next with absolute certainty.

Let me quote Itumbi, "systems ya facts"

Nothing else works. But if you find another witchdoctor treatment like Trump, tell me about it.

If the gov't isn't doing that, well, I didn't vote for them.

If I succumb to it, I'll do so knowing I said the truth. No biggie, Mukiri will support me in heaven.

Nothing else is working.

Lockdown, test and isolate.


You'll scare people for nothing when you say that the only thing that is working is a fantasy.


You have no proof that fantasies are not true. Just a word.

I am retelling a story that is being written even as we speak.

Lockdown, test, isolate.

If that's a fantasy, then expect what is coming.


We can determine what will come. It only takes willpower and intelligence. We can take the next best step and mitigate a crisis. Let's concentrate on what we have at hand.

@Lolest, raising funds and using them with reserve and keen strategy is important. While we mull over and raise funds, we may need an operations doctrine and synch it with govt efforts. I volunteer for such a task if needed.


Tycho, my fren

I'd like you to take a step back for a second. Think of this scenario.

You were born poor, you have an idea. You can't borrow from your family, they are all poor. In fact, people are telling you, it is "impractical, impossible". In fact, look at our history, no one can ever make it.

Yet, you know that the only way you are going to survive is by following that stupid idea.

Do you give up and agree or work to make it happen?

That's the difference between human beings.

Everyone has a challenge. Some agree, others don't.

You know you have to climb that mountain and you climb it. Just climb Mr. Kilimanjaro one day.

This is a virus.

To kill it, we have to stay apart. There's no other way.

It's up to us to stand up and be counted.

Not complaining about our personal issues.


I will work to make the idea happen. I can tell you my entire life has been about making the impossible to happen. And normally, things happen when I swing to action.


My fren, me and you have done one or two things together.

We just have a difference of opinion of how it should be done.

That's an easy thing to deal with over a cuppa.

But I will insist, that on this one. I do not want my country to go the way of New York with their verbose madman.

Coz I know it is impossible for us to survive this without being strong handed.

I agree completely that leaving the masses on their own may not work. May never work. But at the same time, if it doesn't work, they too, shall disappear from this earth.

I will be there. Me and all the friends to make a bit palatable. Whoever I can get to support this I shall. That's all I can do.

But I know for a fact, unless Kenyans are beaten in the head, they will not understand.

This thing is not a joke.

I have doctor friends who are yapping about their FB profiles saying it's just a flu. None of my Kenyan doctor frens have dealt with it's consequences? None.

In fact, they no as much as I do about this virus.

All I know is that Doctors in China, Italy, France, New York are crying like babies.

If I have to force fear into you I will. And I'll do it without being a paid "mbrogger". It's the only thing I can do.

Kenya cannot deal with this shit.

Let everyone be beaten wakae nyumbani tafadhali.

This is the only time to be counted. And we shall be counted. If we survive this thing.

If I gave you the true numbers in the States, you will lock yourself up right now.

There shall be no America as you know it by July if their madman continues selling prescriptions on the internet.

Please watch the numbers on Thursday in the US.

Thus far, the fake numbers they are giving are still waaaay ahead of what we thought.

Please stay home.

And encourage everyone to stay home.

This is not a flu. It's the real deal. Jesus is not coming back before Covid 19. But he can if you wash your hands.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

tycho
#612 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2020 10:50:11 PM
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I am reading the WHO - China mission on Corvid-19 report. For example it is saying:

[quote]based on 55924 laboratory confirmed cases, typical signs and symptoms include: fever
(87.9%), dry cough (67.7%), fatigue (38.1%), sputum production (33.4%), shortness of breath
(18.6%), sore throat (13.9%), headache (13.6%), myalgia or arthralgia (14.8%), chills (11.4%),
nausea or vomiting (5.0%), nasal congestion (4.8%), diarrhea (3.7%), and hemoptysis (0.9%),
and conjunctival congestion (0.8%)./quote]

A look at the demographic trends also reveals space for hope and manoeuvre. China and other countries have done the tough part well. What we need to do is figure out how to use the info generated. We know that most people with mild cases can go to work, and we have profiles of those who are most susceptible.

To me this is enough info for serious preparation and planning, and action. Corona is not the threat we suppose it to be. It can be handled with reasonable success.
tycho
#613 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2020 11:06:20 PM
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We are in agreement that we don't want to let things go out of control. Let us also agree to take advantage of what has been learned by others.

Frankly, I suspect we need the tests less than the Chinese. We need a self reporting mechanism for later serological tests and other investigations, and a rule of thumb for treatment and management of cases.

Otherwise our difference in opinion alma, is part if healthy debate and can help create better solutions.
alma1
#614 Posted : Friday, March 27, 2020 11:35:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
We are in agreement that we don't want to let things go out of control. Let us also agree to take advantage of what has been learned by others.

Frankly, I suspect we need the tests less than the Chinese. We need a self reporting mechanism for later serological tests and other investigations, and a rule of thumb for treatment and management of cases.

Otherwise our difference in opinion alma, is part if healthy debate and can help create better solutions.



I agree.

And I know they read this forum.

I hope I have put the fear of God in them and you have shown them a way out.

Umeskia bwana CS?

Don't bring us your political nonsense here after 5 months after you had read what you have read.

I swear, I shall put your names here.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

murchr
#615 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 1:26:34 AM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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alma1
#616 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:02:22 AM
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I just have to say. As much as I support the gov't with this curfew, the evidence is clear.

Marrying a Kenyan policeman is a sure way to ensure your children end up as dunderheads.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

tycho
#617 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 7:27:49 AM
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We need masks. This is because we know like 80% of cases will manifest with a cough, with 38% experiencing fatigue. Mindfulness and control can be easily lost and the habit of covering the mouth can be easily flouted. We also know there's an asymptomatic period when a good laugh can kill. And if we want to cut the cases to as few as possible, we must control saliva droplet collection, and prevent saliva from getting on other surfaces easily.
Such an arrangement will assist also where we may fail in social distancing like in matatus.

It's possible that there's a shortage of mask supply. So let's make them using our local tailors. We can improvise on materials to use. Besides, that may be the start of the local textile industry we so want. Plus, we will develop confidence in the economy and we might just escape an economic depression.
Bigchick
#618 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 9:19:46 AM
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tycho wrote:
We need masks. This is because we know like 80% of cases will manifest with a cough, with 38% experiencing fatigue. Mindfulness and control can be easily lost and the habit of covering the mouth can be easily flouted. We also know there's an asymptomatic period when a good laugh can kill. And if we want to cut the cases to as few as possible, we must control saliva droplet collection, and prevent saliva from getting on other surfaces easily.
Such an arrangement will assist also where we may fail in social distancing like in matatus.

It's possible that there's a shortage of mask supply. So let's make them using our local tailors. We can improvise on materials to use. Besides, that may be the start of the local textile industry we so want. Plus, we will develop confidence in the economy and we might just escape an economic depression.


Good ideas.

Please guide on the materials that can be used?

Let's start getting local solutions.Actually the images from China showed people with Masks all over.

After patient zero was announced,there were no masks in the pharmacies,so for sure we have non.We need to make them.
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tycho
#619 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 9:59:19 AM
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Thanks, @Bigchick. I have experimented with shower caps and 1 shower cap can give 4 masks. Add elastic and a material for finishing the edges. But these shower caps too may be scarce.

I believe we can do well enough if we use jeans material. There's plenty of it to ensure every eligible Kenyan has at least 2 masks.

Please help in discovering other materials. If we run out of elastic we can convert shoe laces, use strings, or cut pieces of cloth.
aemathenge
#620 Posted : Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:51:57 AM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
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tycho wrote:
Thanks, @Bigchick. I have experimented with shower caps and 1 shower cap can give 4 masks. Add elastic and a material for finishing the edges. But these shower caps too may be scarce.

I believe we can do well enough if we use jeans material. There's plenty of it to ensure every eligible Kenyan has at least 2 masks.

Please help in discovering other materials. If we run out of elastic we can convert shoe laces, use strings, or cut pieces of cloth.


Solutions.

With the many faces of @Tycho, this face I love.
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