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Kenya airways Right Issue
hisah
#611 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 5:19:52 AM
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KQ is ex-div today. Let's see if this week the buyers will stem off the sellers...

The capitulation on this counter is so deep yet even a contrarian investor or technical trader would need sizable balls of steel plus a diamond stomach wall to absorb the pessimism of Mr Market...
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murchr
#612 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 6:22:40 AM
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guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
@guru....300Billion?? Kes or $$


Actually its 200billion Kes that naikuni plans to take on..

www.newspapersafrica.com...ews=business&id=2051

"the rights issue allows us to take on $2.2billion debt" - Titus Naikuni


Hii ni pesa kidogo
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guru267
#613 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 6:30:55 AM
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murchr wrote:
guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
@guru....300Billion?? Kes or $$


Actually its 200billion Kes that naikuni plans to take on..

www.newspapersafrica.com...ews=business&id=2051

"the rights issue allows us to take on $2.2billion debt" - Titus Naikuni


Hii ni pesa kidogo


just wait for the annual additional interest charge of at least 15billion!!
i wonder if margins will sustain this!
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Deuteronomy 4:16
VituVingiSana
#614 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 10:09:45 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I dont even think KQ is among those doing badly,


@murchr when KQ takes on the 300billion debt that is when you will see problems coming in full swing!!


@Guru the debt will be in form of dry leases, repayment will start after KQ takes delivery of the new fleet. margins will be better since the new fleet will be up to 20 times more fuel economical. I would says things will be better for after the debt.

What does that mean? "since the new fleet will be up to 20 times more fuel economical"


He means that the 787's that KQ is acquiring consumes 20% less fuel than the similarly-sized 767
20x & 20% is a huge difference...!
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StatMeister
#615 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 10:23:34 AM
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Factor in these random grenades and their impact on tourism. Equivalently the medium term outlook of air travel and tourism.
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
Kausha
#616 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 10:38:57 AM
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I keep wondering, where these new planes will fly to? Most of the routes in Africa are covered and in any case they need to cull some of the African routes and replace them with a few new good ones

It can't be rise in price of fuel that is making KQ make losses. Some of the extra fuel bill is as a result of expensive hedges taken haphazardly, as well as more miles flown from extra capacity. KQ added an old fuel guzzling 747-400 freighter and 3 embraers in 2012. Furthermore we all get hit with the fuel surcharge once in a while when fuel prices run out of hand.


Airline business is too volatile, competitive and margins are always under pressure. The 200B debt will most likely disorganize the airline. If KQ was run efficiently like a business with lofty ambitions and willing to back it's mouth with solid cash it should by now have accumulated 100B in equity reserves and come for some equity by way of rights before proceeding to borrow the 200B.

However this is not the case and the business has been poorly run since 2007. It hasn't generated a competitive return to give investors a sense of comfort that it can take debt to fund an ambitious expansion. Since 2007 it's reserves have remained in the lower 20B levels. Management is doing too much dreaming without necessarily backing the dreams with rigorous thought process. For me a debt of 200B for KQ to fund expansion with current management is suicidal. This will only lead to a bail out by government in the long run - (Future finance minister please create a contingency for this).
StatMeister
#617 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 10:43:23 AM
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The problem with airlines all over:
1. For normal carriers - budget airlines charging a fraction for the same route
2. For budget carriers - safety issues
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sparkly
#618 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 1:32:11 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
I dont even think KQ is among those doing badly,


@murchr when KQ takes on the 300billion debt that is when you will see problems coming in full swing!!


@Guru the debt will be in form of dry leases, repayment will start after KQ takes delivery of the new fleet. margins will be better since the new fleet will be up to 20 times more fuel economical. I would says things will be better for after the debt.

What does that mean? "since the new fleet will be up to 20 times more fuel economical"


He means that the 787's that KQ is acquiring consumes 20% less fuel than the similarly-sized 767
20x & 20% is a huge difference...!


20%, and lets move on to substantive discussion.
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Aguytrying
#619 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 3:04:03 PM
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Unless the margins of this company drastically improve, more planes will mean more money, more profit. However the day they get it wrong(like KK, guru will tell you),the losses that will occur will be ground shattering. And with current management, i cant see them maintaining let alone improving the business that has been on a downward spiral.
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hisah
#620 Posted : Monday, October 01, 2012 3:21:00 PM
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Ex-div and KQ has seen a balance of buys and sales by foreigners at 8.9M with a volume of more than 1M shares. Is it basing out, we will know in a few weeks time.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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