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Why can't we just move the river!!
murchr
#51 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 7:23:52 PM
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newfarer wrote:
move the ocean too

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You can reclaim land from the sea
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deadpoet
#52 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 7:29:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
wukan wrote:
hardwood wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Swenani wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Stopping of Avic towers is ridiculous. Do they plan on blowing up seven high-rise towers because of sidewalks the contractors were forced to build in the first place?


If they have encroached on public land, why can't it be demolished?


The keyword there is 'if'.

There are still plenty of buildings across Nairobi with the dreaded red 'x' on them that are still standing. Why all the gusto to go after one of the city's largest real estate developments first? I don't know how vital the Chiromo feeder road is, but I'm yet to hear of a complaint from any pedestrian/road user. Besides, I'd venture to say that the contractor probably had plans to improve the road(s) once construction was done.


One should restrict their construction activities to within their plot, not encroaching on neighbours land or public spaces. It doesn't matter how big or small your project is. Or whether the encroached road is busy or not. Or whether the public complains or not.


No there is something called a traffic management plan for the big projects. Developers takes some public land(chiromo close) then offer to better the roads in the surrounding areas(westlands road) to accommodate the project. Developer's discuss these things with the planning department. That's how it's done in global cities.


If they are legit, why did the contractor feel that they have to pay a bribe?


Alleged bribe...

Also remember, the owners of Kempinsky used all the resources at their disposal to halt the project, and managed to delay construction for almost two years. If there had been any impropriety, it would have come to light then, imho
Njunge
#53 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34:45 PM
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murchr wrote:
newfarer wrote:
move the ocean too

https://mobile.nation.co.ke


You can reclaim land from the sea


Weston 2. Guarded by Prison guards. hehehe.....haka kata-grab hata Indian Ocean?
murchr
#54 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 8:15:28 PM
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Njunge wrote:
murchr wrote:
newfarer wrote:
move the ocean too

https://mobile.nation.co.ke


You can reclaim land from the sea


Weston 2. Guarded by Prison guards. hehehe.....haka kata-grab hata Indian Ocean?


Kama nema imekubali ni sawa

This is reclaimed land in Dubai
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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wukan
#55 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2018 8:45:07 PM
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murchr wrote:
wukan wrote:
hardwood wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Swenani wrote:
deadpoet wrote:
Stopping of Avic towers is ridiculous. Do they plan on blowing up seven high-rise towers because of sidewalks the contractors were forced to build in the first place?


If they have encroached on public land, why can't it be demolished?


The keyword there is 'if'.

There are still plenty of buildings across Nairobi with the dreaded red 'x' on them that are still standing. Why all the gusto to go after one of the city's largest real estate developments first? I don't know how vital the Chiromo feeder road is, but I'm yet to hear of a complaint from any pedestrian/road user. Besides, I'd venture to say that the contractor probably had plans to improve the road(s) once construction was done.


One should restrict their construction activities to within their plot, not encroaching on neighbours land or public spaces. It doesn't matter how big or small your project is. Or whether the encroached road is busy or not. Or whether the public complains or not.


No there is something called a traffic management plan for the big projects. Developers takes some public land(chiromo close) then offer to better the roads in the surrounding areas(westlands road) to accommodate the project. Developer's discuss these things with the planning department. That's how it's done in global cities.


If they are legit, why did the contractor feel that they have to pay a bribe?


Building construction everywhere whether New york or Mumbai is notorious for shake downs. Anyone doing a serious project has dealt with Kathenge and his boys. You see a beautiful city rising it's like seeing a sausage, you don't want to know how it is made.
Much Know
#56 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:13:01 AM
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murchr wrote:
newfarer wrote:
move the ocean too

https://mobile.nation.co.ke


You can reclaim land from the sea

RIPARIAN land refers to land next to rivers and streams, as usual our extremely stupid extortionist choo-nolist who are screwed for hogwash media jobs. Extremely stupid move. There are no laws about encroaching "sea riparian land", just beach front property, you can build provided your building is not eaten up by tides.
Ras Kienyeji Man
hardwood
#57 Posted : Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:44:05 AM
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Njunge wrote:
murchr wrote:


You can reclaim land from the sea


Weston 2. Guarded by Prison guards. hehehe.....haka kata-grab hata Indian Ocean?


This is too much now. If you eat too much your stomach will burst. Also kwani hii mshahara ya 1.4m per month is extendable like a rubber band mpaka it can buy choppers and build hotels all over mpaka in the ocean ("oceanperian" land)?
masukuma
#58 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:58:16 PM
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People never see capital as a collective thing - narrow myopic brains see it as belonging to the person who has broken the law. Considering that "the law" is actually another made up thing. Anyway... my point is - you don't have to destroy capital to punish the transgressor.
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murchr
#59 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2018 6:22:45 PM
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masukuma wrote:
People never see capital as a collective thing - narrow myopic brains see it as belonging to the person who has broken the law. Considering that "the law" is actually another made up thing. Anyway... my point is - you don't have to destroy capital to punish the transgressor.


There would be no loss of capital if the right thing was done in the first place. Correcting historical wrongs is always hard. Kerala India is going through the same debate.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#60 Posted : Sunday, August 19, 2018 9:03:10 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
People never see capital as a collective thing - narrow myopic brains see it as belonging to the person who has broken the law. Considering that "the law" is actually another made up thing. Anyway... my point is - you don't have to destroy capital to punish the transgressor.


There would be no loss of capital if the right thing was done in the first place. Correcting historical wrongs is always hard. Kerala India is going through the same debate.

Yes... because of some mind block people seem to consistently MISREAD what I write and reply to what they think I have written. Can someone here repeat what they think I was asking for and quote where exactly I said what they think I said.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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