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Much Know wrote:alma1 wrote:
I mean Mukiri. What was the difference between reading Pauline, Wahome etc and listening to Kameme or Kass FM.
The narrative was very clear. The story was the same. Even here on wazua.
Since now Raira is one of us, let us now blame tech people.
I'm 100% sure that everyone on wazua read Hardwoods story and went to repeat it to the un-tech savvy cucu in gishagi.
@alma if you have never received threats or been followed by cops then your opinion on wazua is among the 100%. Some few of us think for our selves, Jesus said it will be hard to have your own values, to win yourself, your spirit, in the last days, utashinda na ma police and NIS in your case, even roughed up in your premises, sio mchezo vile watu wengi wanifikiri kuwa na opinion ni rahisi, why did moi used to send cops to listen to peoples conversations in dingy barts in corner? Chunga sana, it's way risky than you think, na hakuna pesa vile unafikiria. You end up having to chotea criminals my fren, that's Kenya! Ras Kienyeji Man
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alma1 wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Hardwood isnt a CA guy, those guys are subtle and sharp, high tech.
Hardwood is like those rungus everyone sees...must be Ole Tumbi employee/consultant. CA guys use guys like Hardwood all the time. Fake accounts that are online 24 hours a day are their modus operandi. Akina Itumbi, Pauline Njoroge and other jubilee bloggers are just dumb fellas. They have to wait until 2pm to be told by Cambridge Analytica what to say. They can't think for themselves. Just like the Kenyan voter. So I disagree, Hardwood has all the hallmarks of a Fake Account created for the sole purpose of creating discord. Controversy sells. Then after he writes something, you have the dummies like harrdre, realty etc agreeing. Kenyans have been had. Been took. Ran Amock. Bamboozled.Kumbe even tyranny of numbers was a CA expression. What Kenyans are we talking about? This is another example of the online crowd falling in love with their own noise and thinking everyone is like them. How many Wanjiku's own a smart phone, facebook account or twirra, or even care? Yet you can bet every Wanjiku knows about ballots and how they are cast and have an idea how they are won or lost. Wazuans should listen to Masukuma more often. We are a low-tech society led by a privileged high tech elite who think their online navel gazing is holy writ for the masses. If socio media decided elections in Kenya, Peter Kenneth would be governor of Nairobi and Mwangi would be MP for Starehe. My sentiments exactly. Wanjiku out there only prides herself in a simple phone that has access to mpesa (and porn), all else comes secondary to putting food on the table. Unless its a media campaign, as most if not all people watch/listen to news, then it goes unseen. Do the tech savvy even vote? My frens. It's ok to admit that you were had. Not using difficult words. Ati Wanjiku is not tech savvy. Ha! Try another one. Can you name one person you know who doesn't have whatsapp? Name one Whatsapp group you know that did not spread a blatant lie for or against.Please stop pretending that you were not had. Cases of our own media copy pasting a blatant lie in their front pages abound. I remember standard had a picture of burning cars somewhere. They said it was nasa people. The picture was from another country. The media in Kenya just parrots what comes from the offices of PR firms. PR firms are told what to say by the idea men. I mean Mukiri. What was the difference between reading Pauline, Wahome etc and listening to Kameme or Kass FM. The narrative was very clear. The story was the same. Even here on wazua. Since now Raira is one of us, let us now blame tech people. I'm 100% sure that everyone on wazua read Hardwoods story and went to repeat it to the un-tech savvy cucu in gishagi. If you did not notice, then you are the sheep that CA targets. Most, if not all my folk n the village, their neighbours and entire rustic folk don't even know what whatsapp is. I can tell you for a fact, they were in the voting queue! I cannot guarantee the xaxa generation I know voted. Alot of white lies. I think you have divorced the facts on the ground from the reality you created around you. Who are the voting majority? Like someone said, in Nairobi if those who use whatsapp had any voting muscle, PK would be governor. And Nairobi is where the majority of the tech savvy reside
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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Mukiri wrote:alma1 wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Hardwood isnt a CA guy, those guys are subtle and sharp, high tech.
Hardwood is like those rungus everyone sees...must be Ole Tumbi employee/consultant. CA guys use guys like Hardwood all the time. Fake accounts that are online 24 hours a day are their modus operandi. Akina Itumbi, Pauline Njoroge and other jubilee bloggers are just dumb fellas. They have to wait until 2pm to be told by Cambridge Analytica what to say. They can't think for themselves. Just like the Kenyan voter. So I disagree, Hardwood has all the hallmarks of a Fake Account created for the sole purpose of creating discord. Controversy sells. Then after he writes something, you have the dummies like harrdre, realty etc agreeing. Kenyans have been had. Been took. Ran Amock. Bamboozled.Kumbe even tyranny of numbers was a CA expression. What Kenyans are we talking about? This is another example of the online crowd falling in love with their own noise and thinking everyone is like them. How many Wanjiku's own a smart phone, facebook account or twirra, or even care? Yet you can bet every Wanjiku knows about ballots and how they are cast and have an idea how they are won or lost. Wazuans should listen to Masukuma more often. We are a low-tech society led by a privileged high tech elite who think their online navel gazing is holy writ for the masses. If socio media decided elections in Kenya, Peter Kenneth would be governor of Nairobi and Mwangi would be MP for Starehe. My sentiments exactly. Wanjiku out there only prides herself in a simple phone that has access to mpesa (and porn), all else comes secondary to putting food on the table. Unless its a media campaign, as most if not all people watch/listen to news, then it goes unseen. Do the tech savvy even vote? My frens. It's ok to admit that you were had. Not using difficult words. Ati Wanjiku is not tech savvy. Ha! Try another one. Can you name one person you know who doesn't have whatsapp? Name one Whatsapp group you know that did not spread a blatant lie for or against.Please stop pretending that you were not had. Cases of our own media copy pasting a blatant lie in their front pages abound. I remember standard had a picture of burning cars somewhere. They said it was nasa people. The picture was from another country. The media in Kenya just parrots what comes from the offices of PR firms. PR firms are told what to say by the idea men. I mean Mukiri. What was the difference between reading Pauline, Wahome etc and listening to Kameme or Kass FM. The narrative was very clear. The story was the same. Even here on wazua. Since now Raira is one of us, let us now blame tech people. I'm 100% sure that everyone on wazua read Hardwoods story and went to repeat it to the un-tech savvy cucu in gishagi. If you did not notice, then you are the sheep that CA targets. Most, if not all my folk n the village, their neighbours and entire rustic folk don't even know what whatsapp is. I can tell you for a fact, they were in the voting queue! I cannot guarantee the xaxa generation I know voted. Alot of white lies. I think you have divorced the facts on the ground from the reality you created around you. Who are the voting majority? Like someone said, in Nairobi if those who use whatsapp had any voting muscle, PK would be governor. And Nairobi is where the majority of the tech savvy reside My fren. I don't see why you should be proud about your people not having whatsapp. My cucu has it and she doesn't live in nairobi. The people who don't have whatsapp listen to Kameme. The kamemeaits get their talking point memo from you know who. Stop pretending that you don't know how things work. In your gishagi, since they are so backward they don't have whatsapp, they depend on you to tell them how raira charo nefa mbe. You got how he charo nefa mbe from hardwood on wazua. It's called nodal dissemination. You don't tell everyone, you tell and confuse the main nodes. The main nodes being dummies go and tell their nyumba kumi and all of a sudden you have 1 million dummies who wake up in the morning hating someone because they heard it in grapevine. These CA guys are actually very good. For some reason, they have made you believe they only work on twirra. Their work is to find a resonating message and find the easiest method of disseminating it. One of the reasons I believe they wrote the Jubilee manifesto is because up until this morning, my kids still do not have a laptop.  By the way, I sincerely believe that you do think that Kenyan voters are dummies. CA have confessed that they did it. They even bought red Tshirts for everyone. Yet, here you are saying they didn't do it. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, the question as to whether CA caused any change in the last elections may be quite tricky because the main opposition was out of the race.
2013? There may be reasons to suspect that such actions of the CA would have made a difference.
But I'd like to ask: Are such actions by the CA powerful enough to affect decisions?
What are the implications of major policy makers to take a position of nudging populations to certain ideas and actions? Good points Tycho. This is where scholarship may be useful in debunking some myths that have grown to assume Papal infallibility. One of them is that elections are decided by flipping people who were going to vote one way into voting another. Not true, not even in America, where we are made to believe people vote on issues. Elections are decided by people voting their interests, those who feel their interests are not well represented tend to stay home. Whether these interests align with tribe, clans, castes, social classes etc is besides the point. The winner is the one who can convince the largest number that he represents their interest or that the other guy is a threat to those interests - something you do by simple campaigning or old fashioned advertising. Social media is a cheaper platform for delivering these messages but that is about it. 1. If there are a group of voters who are yet to decide on which side to vote for, then is there a possibility of convincing them to a certain position? Is it reasonable to have such expectations? 2. Where and how do citizens get information about what best serves their interests? And if they were to make any calculations, would the necessary information be given by other parties whose interests may yet be unknown? 3. When we are in a hypermedia environment, is it enough to expect to be effective when you insist on limited media channels?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, the question as to whether CA caused any change in the last elections may be quite tricky because the main opposition was out of the race.
2013? There may be reasons to suspect that such actions of the CA would have made a difference.
But I'd like to ask: Are such actions by the CA powerful enough to affect decisions?
What are the implications of major policy makers to take a position of nudging populations to certain ideas and actions? Good points Tycho. This is where scholarship may be useful in debunking some myths that have grown to assume Papal infallibility. One of them is that elections are decided by flipping people who were going to vote one way into voting another. Not true, not even in America, where we are made to believe people vote on issues. Elections are decided by people voting their interests, those who feel their interests are not well represented tend to stay home. Whether these interests align with tribe, clans, castes, social classes etc is besides the point. The winner is the one who can convince the largest number that he represents their interest or that the other guy is a threat to those interests - something you do by simple campaigning or old fashioned advertising. Social media is a cheaper platform for delivering these messages but that is about it. 1. If there are a group of voters who are yet to decide on which side to vote for, then is there a possibility of convincing them to a certain position? Is it reasonable to have such expectations? 2. Where and how do citizens get information about what best serves their interests? And if they were to make any calculations, would the necessary information be given by other parties whose interests may yet be unknown? 3. When we are in a hypermedia environment, is it enough to expect to be effective when you insist on limited media channels? Interesting questions. I remember when Alai got "saved" and all of a sudden he was the person telling truth to power. Was he with his new found faith giving information for the good of the luo nation or so that he could pay the car note? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,585
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alma1 wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, the question as to whether CA caused any change in the last elections may be quite tricky because the main opposition was out of the race.
2013? There may be reasons to suspect that such actions of the CA would have made a difference.
But I'd like to ask: Are such actions by the CA powerful enough to affect decisions?
What are the implications of major policy makers to take a position of nudging populations to certain ideas and actions? Good points Tycho. This is where scholarship may be useful in debunking some myths that have grown to assume Papal infallibility. One of them is that elections are decided by flipping people who were going to vote one way into voting another. Not true, not even in America, where we are made to believe people vote on issues. Elections are decided by people voting their interests, those who feel their interests are not well represented tend to stay home. Whether these interests align with tribe, clans, castes, social classes etc is besides the point. The winner is the one who can convince the largest number that he represents their interest or that the other guy is a threat to those interests - something you do by simple campaigning or old fashioned advertising. Social media is a cheaper platform for delivering these messages but that is about it. 1. If there are a group of voters who are yet to decide on which side to vote for, then is there a possibility of convincing them to a certain position? Is it reasonable to have such expectations? 2. Where and how do citizens get information about what best serves their interests? And if they were to make any calculations, would the necessary information be given by other parties whose interests may yet be unknown? 3. When we are in a hypermedia environment, is it enough to expect to be effective when you insist on limited media channels? Interesting questions. I remember when Alai got "saved" and all of a sudden he was the person telling truth to power. Was he with his new found faith giving information for the good of the luo nation or so that he could pay the car note? Satan huyo unasemea alimustua! Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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alma1 wrote:Mukiri wrote:alma1 wrote:Mukiri wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Hardwood isnt a CA guy, those guys are subtle and sharp, high tech.
Hardwood is like those rungus everyone sees...must be Ole Tumbi employee/consultant. CA guys use guys like Hardwood all the time. Fake accounts that are online 24 hours a day are their modus operandi. Akina Itumbi, Pauline Njoroge and other jubilee bloggers are just dumb fellas. They have to wait until 2pm to be told by Cambridge Analytica what to say. They can't think for themselves. Just like the Kenyan voter. So I disagree, Hardwood has all the hallmarks of a Fake Account created for the sole purpose of creating discord. Controversy sells. Then after he writes something, you have the dummies like harrdre, realty etc agreeing. Kenyans have been had. Been took. Ran Amock. Bamboozled.Kumbe even tyranny of numbers was a CA expression. What Kenyans are we talking about? This is another example of the online crowd falling in love with their own noise and thinking everyone is like them. How many Wanjiku's own a smart phone, facebook account or twirra, or even care? Yet you can bet every Wanjiku knows about ballots and how they are cast and have an idea how they are won or lost. Wazuans should listen to Masukuma more often. We are a low-tech society led by a privileged high tech elite who think their online navel gazing is holy writ for the masses. If socio media decided elections in Kenya, Peter Kenneth would be governor of Nairobi and Mwangi would be MP for Starehe. My sentiments exactly. Wanjiku out there only prides herself in a simple phone that has access to mpesa (and porn), all else comes secondary to putting food on the table. Unless its a media campaign, as most if not all people watch/listen to news, then it goes unseen. Do the tech savvy even vote? My frens. It's ok to admit that you were had. Not using difficult words. Ati Wanjiku is not tech savvy. Ha! Try another one. Can you name one person you know who doesn't have whatsapp? Name one Whatsapp group you know that did not spread a blatant lie for or against.Please stop pretending that you were not had. Cases of our own media copy pasting a blatant lie in their front pages abound. I remember standard had a picture of burning cars somewhere. They said it was nasa people. The picture was from another country. The media in Kenya just parrots what comes from the offices of PR firms. PR firms are told what to say by the idea men. I mean Mukiri. What was the difference between reading Pauline, Wahome etc and listening to Kameme or Kass FM. The narrative was very clear. The story was the same. Even here on wazua. Since now Raira is one of us, let us now blame tech people. I'm 100% sure that everyone on wazua read Hardwoods story and went to repeat it to the un-tech savvy cucu in gishagi. If you did not notice, then you are the sheep that CA targets. Most, if not all my folk n the village, their neighbours and entire rustic folk don't even know what whatsapp is. I can tell you for a fact, they were in the voting queue! I cannot guarantee the xaxa generation I know voted. Alot of white lies. I think you have divorced the facts on the ground from the reality you created around you. Who are the voting majority? Like someone said, in Nairobi if those who use whatsapp had any voting muscle, PK would be governor. And Nairobi is where the majority of the tech savvy reside My fren. I don't see why you should be proud about your people not having whatsapp. My cucu has it and she doesn't live in nairobi. The people who don't have whatsapp listen to Kameme. The kamemeaits get their talking point memo from you know who. Stop pretending that you don't know how things work. In your gishagi, since they are so backward they don't have whatsapp, they depend on you to tell them how raira charo nefa mbe. You got how he charo nefa mbe from hardwood on wazua. It's called nodal dissemination. You don't tell everyone, you tell and confuse the main nodes. The main nodes being dummies go and tell their nyumba kumi and all of a sudden you have 1 million dummies who wake up in the morning hating someone because they heard it in grapevine. These CA guys are actually very good. For some reason, they have made you believe they only work on twirra. Their work is to find a resonating message and find the easiest method of disseminating it. One of the reasons I believe they wrote the Jubilee manifesto is because up until this morning, my kids still do not have a laptop. By the way, I sincerely believe that you do think that Kenyan voters are dummies. CA have confessed that they did it. They even bought red Tshirts for everyone. Yet, here you are saying they didn't do it. I'm still stuck at the part where your grandma has whatsapp.. I think that calls for a new thread!  Kweli, we are not all equal!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, the question as to whether CA caused any change in the last elections may be quite tricky because the main opposition was out of the race.
2013? There may be reasons to suspect that such actions of the CA would have made a difference.
But I'd like to ask: Are such actions by the CA powerful enough to affect decisions?
What are the implications of major policy makers to take a position of nudging populations to certain ideas and actions? Good points Tycho. This is where scholarship may be useful in debunking some myths that have grown to assume Papal infallibility. One of them is that elections are decided by flipping people who were going to vote one way into voting another. Not true, not even in America, where we are made to believe people vote on issues. Elections are decided by people voting their interests, those who feel their interests are not well represented tend to stay home. Whether these interests align with tribe, clans, castes, social classes etc is besides the point. The winner is the one who can convince the largest number that he represents their interest or that the other guy is a threat to those interests - something you do by simple campaigning or old fashioned advertising. Social media is a cheaper platform for delivering these messages but that is about it. 1. If there are a group of voters who are yet to decide on which side to vote for, then is there a possibility of convincing them to a certain position? Is it reasonable to have such expectations? (If there are a group of voters who are yet to decide where there best interests lie in the political competition, then it is possible to convince them. But can you think of many Kenyan voters who are in this situation? The Kenyan voter may be deluded but they all think they know what is good for them. A Kenyans self of being is largely constructed around the familiar/community locus. We see our interests as largely tied to that of our kin. This definition of kin may change, for instance it widens the further we are from our ancestral origins. But it largely means that, when allocating power, trust, or opportunity to another we think of our kin first. 'Ka mwene', 'kula na mwenzako', 'cham gi wadu' these are not modern philosophies yet we all subscribe to them, even when we may deny the fact ) 2. Where and how do citizens get information about what best serves their interests? (From different sources of course. But Almas insistence that social media is the most important source is a delusion in my, not very humble, opinion). 3. When we are in a hypermedia environment, is it enough to expect to be effective when you insist on limited media channels? From a candidates perspective, modern politics, being as it is mostly about image and projection, is a bit like advertising. You believe half of it works but you don't know which half. So there will always be room for the likes of CA even when they peddle deodorized cow dung. It will take time for the truth to come out but it will. Like I said the best judges of the likes of of CA would be google and facebook. They want nothing to do with them."The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, I agree that most Kenyans vote along tribal and ethnic lines.
But even within ethnic groups convictions are never so intense and uniform. The elites hog most of the goodies, and the majority try to get the trickles, and many a times they may take an indifferent position.
It's in such circumstances that a contestant may decide to make sure that the discontented remain in the fold. How to do that?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, I agree that most Kenyans vote along tribal and ethnic lines.
But even within ethnic groups convictions are never so intense and uniform. The elites hog most of the goodies, and the majority try to get the trickles, and many a times they may take an indifferent position.
It's in such circumstances that a contestant may decide to make sure that the discontented remain in the fold. How to do that?
Tycho, some realities about our people are painful but they are our people and we can't divorce them. Let's say you are an educated Luo gentleman, maybe a successful professional or businessman. As a similarly educated and engaged Kikuyu, you and I have more in common that we have with our tribe mates back in the Village. Yet in an election it is very likely that I will not give you my vote, even if I make all sorts of self justifying noises. My kinship locus of being is so strong that the best I can do for you is to stay away from the ballot. Some contestants have become good about nudging people to do this - convincing the other side that their guy can not win and so they might as well stay away. This is the card Jubilee played, to devastating effect, on NASA last year. But, before Alma, aka CA, jumps in to say I told you, such strategic campaigning and voting are not new. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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