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tycho wrote:If both brothers chose, and arrived at the city of desire, then both are equal in strength.
Help? Both, equally.
Both brothers have not arrived. The only thing they can be certain of is this: they will either succeed together or fail together. But clearly they have chosen to interpret this principle in very different ways. Back to my question: "Which brother....?" "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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After reading all this I now have a serious urge to drink some whisky. WHO DARES WINS
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If one considers the history of Man, and even the history of the Universe, and his subjectivity, several things become clear. Among them; Tycho, I was going to respond to your post when I saw the above non sequitur. Surely, the Universe by its very nature and definition (as all that is) can not have a history or a future. It simply is. Hello there Wakanyugi? I am glad to see you here with us. Thanks Muriel. Maybe you can help our brother Tycho. Sometimes he takes this illusion stuff too seriously. Like the man who walks into a pub, orders a few beers, gets drunk and then thinks inebriation is his permanent state. I worry that brother Tycho is going to wake up with a 'maduong' hangover one of these days.  lol ,,,,,,,,, I will be here with beverage and accompaniment ,,,,,,,,,, as we sing the rhyme ,,,,, lol. Brother at times is just stubborn. I have a different opinion about Marianne Williamson (I am pro-separateness) but I get what you are putting across. Muriel, What is your beef with Marianne? By the way I completely separate a persons writing from their personality. I am yet to meet a writer whose persona equaled their writing. Indeed, and why is it, that the persona and the writing are different? I believe the creative endeavor is the platform on which human beings best express their greater, unlimited self. Their god-self if you like. The product of a well executed creative process therefore tends to seem greater than the person who created it. This is my theory anyway. Wakanyugi, interesting. I believe a person should and will own up and take responsibility for his actions and inactions, words and deeds. I do not believe in 'I wouldn't do it - its the angel/devil/karma/him/her/whoever-i-visualize/etc who made me do it.' mentality. As if there is no free will. Slave mentality. That is why just to say 'I'm sorry, I apologise.' is too hard for some people and people within his sphere of influence ends up affected one way or another. Especially when he tries to explain it away after hurting someone instead of owning up. Sorry for digressing there ,,,,,,, Its funny that here we switch sides pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality). Intriguing! How can I now explain myself? Help!
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If one considers the history of Man, and even the history of the Universe, and his subjectivity, several things become clear. Among them; Tycho, I was going to respond to your post when I saw the above non sequitur. Surely, the Universe by its very nature and definition (as all that is) can not have a history or a future. It simply is. Hello there Wakanyugi? I am glad to see you here with us. Thanks Muriel. Maybe you can help our brother Tycho. Sometimes he takes this illusion stuff too seriously. Like the man who walks into a pub, orders a few beers, gets drunk and then thinks inebriation is his permanent state. I worry that brother Tycho is going to wake up with a 'maduong' hangover one of these days. lol ,,,,,,,,, I will be here with beverage and accompaniment ,,,,,,,,,, as we sing the rhyme ,,,,, lol. Brother at times is just stubborn. I have a different opinion about Marianne Williamson (I am pro-separateness) but I get what you are putting across. Muriel, What is your beef with Marianne? By the way I completely separate a persons writing from their personality. I am yet to meet a writer whose persona equaled their writing. Indeed, and why is it, that the persona and the writing are different? I believe the creative endeavor is the platform on which human beings best express their greater, unlimited self. Their god-self if you like. The product of a well executed creative process therefore tends to seem greater than the person who created it. This is my theory anyway. Wakanyugi, interesting. I believe a person should and will own up and take responsibility for his actions and inactions, words and deeds. I do not believe in 'I wouldn't do it - its the angel/devil/karma/him/her/whoever-i-visualize/etc who made me do it.' mentality. As if there is no free will. Slave mentality. That is why just to say 'I'm sorry, I apologise.' is too hard for some people and people within his sphere of influence ends up affected one way or another. Especially when he tries to explain it away after hurting someone instead of owning up. Sorry for digressing there ,,,,,,, Its funny that here we switch sides pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality). Intriguing! How can I now explain myself? Help! 
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If one considers the history of Man, and even the history of the Universe, and his subjectivity, several things become clear. Among them; Tycho, I was going to respond to your post when I saw the above non sequitur. Surely, the Universe by its very nature and definition (as all that is) can not have a history or a future. It simply is. Hello there Wakanyugi? I am glad to see you here with us. Thanks Muriel. Maybe you can help our brother Tycho. Sometimes he takes this illusion stuff too seriously. Like the man who walks into a pub, orders a few beers, gets drunk and then thinks inebriation is his permanent state. I worry that brother Tycho is going to wake up with a 'maduong' hangover one of these days. lol ,,,,,,,,, I will be here with beverage and accompaniment ,,,,,,,,,, as we sing the rhyme ,,,,, lol. Brother at times is just stubborn. I have a different opinion about Marianne Williamson (I am pro-separateness) but I get what you are putting across. Muriel, What is your beef with Marianne? By the way I completely separate a persons writing from their personality. I am yet to meet a writer whose persona equaled their writing. Indeed, and why is it, that the persona and the writing are different? I believe the creative endeavor is the platform on which human beings best express their greater, unlimited self. Their god-self if you like. The product of a well executed creative process therefore tends to seem greater than the person who created it. This is my theory anyway. Wakanyugi, interesting. I believe a person should and will own up and take responsibility for his actions and inactions, words and deeds. I do not believe in 'I wouldn't do it - its the angel/devil/karma/him/her/whoever-i-visualize/etc who made me do it.' mentality. As if there is no free will. Slave mentality. That is why just to say 'I'm sorry, I apologise.' is too hard for some people and people within his sphere of influence ends up affected one way or another. Especially when he tries to explain it away after hurting someone instead of owning up. Sorry for digressing there ,,,,,,, Its funny that here we switch sides pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality). Intriguing! How can I now explain myself? Help! Muriel, I have always believed that we, each of us, is responsible for the reality we create, so I am with you completely on this. This does not mean that others have no influence on our reality. But that we are responsible for letting them, when we do. In recent years I began to find massive evidence that this is not just a moral/spiritual fact but a scientific one too. For instance, I recall reading Michael Talbot's "The Holographic Universe," years ago and a proverbial light going on in my head. As to " ...pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality)." I think Tycho put it quite well. There is no difference between the creater and the creation. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If one considers the history of Man, and even the history of the Universe, and his subjectivity, several things become clear. Among them; Tycho, I was going to respond to your post when I saw the above non sequitur. Surely, the Universe by its very nature and definition (as all that is) can not have a history or a future. It simply is. Hello there Wakanyugi? I am glad to see you here with us. Thanks Muriel. Maybe you can help our brother Tycho. Sometimes he takes this illusion stuff too seriously. Like the man who walks into a pub, orders a few beers, gets drunk and then thinks inebriation is his permanent state. I worry that brother Tycho is going to wake up with a 'maduong' hangover one of these days. lol ,,,,,,,,, I will be here with beverage and accompaniment ,,,,,,,,,, as we sing the rhyme ,,,,, lol. Brother at times is just stubborn. I have a different opinion about Marianne Williamson (I am pro-separateness) but I get what you are putting across. Muriel, What is your beef with Marianne? By the way I completely separate a persons writing from their personality. I am yet to meet a writer whose persona equaled their writing. Indeed, and why is it, that the persona and the writing are different? I believe the creative endeavor is the platform on which human beings best express their greater, unlimited self. Their god-self if you like. The product of a well executed creative process therefore tends to seem greater than the person who created it. This is my theory anyway. Wakanyugi, interesting. I believe a person should and will own up and take responsibility for his actions and inactions, words and deeds. I do not believe in 'I wouldn't do it - its the angel/devil/karma/him/her/whoever-i-visualize/etc who made me do it.' mentality. As if there is no free will. Slave mentality. That is why just to say 'I'm sorry, I apologise.' is too hard for some people and people within his sphere of influence ends up affected one way or another. Especially when he tries to explain it away after hurting someone instead of owning up. Sorry for digressing there ,,,,,,, Its funny that here we switch sides pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality). Intriguing! How can I now explain myself? Help! Muriel, I have always believed that we, each of us, is responsible for the reality we create, so I am with you completely on this. This does not mean that others have no influence on our reality. But that we are responsible for letting them, when we do. In recent years I began to find massive evidence that this is not just a moral/spiritual fact but a scientific one too. For instance, I recall reading Michael Talbot's "The Holographic Universe," years ago and a proverbial light going on in my head. As to " ...pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality)." I think Tycho put it quite well. There is no difference between the creater and the creation. Wakanyugi, What do you know? A flood light just came on for me in my head! Thank you, thank you.
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Laugh Laugh Laugh Affliction! Laugh Laugh Laugh
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If both brothers chose, and arrived at the city of desire, then both are equal in strength.
Help? Both, equally.
Both brothers have not arrived. The only thing they can be certain of is this: they will either succeed together or fail together. But clearly they have chosen to interpret this principle in very different ways. Back to my question: "Which brother....?" They must be equally strong. And my help to them would be equal to the point of indifference.
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Muriel wrote:Laugh Laugh Laugh Affliction! Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If both brothers chose, and arrived at the city of desire, then both are equal in strength.
Help? Both, equally.
Both brothers have not arrived. The only thing they can be certain of is this: they will either succeed together or fail together. But clearly they have chosen to interpret this principle in very different ways. Back to my question: "Which brother....?" They must be equally strong. And my help to them would be equal to the point of indifference. Is that your final answer? Jokes aside, would your answer change if I said the older brother was black and the younger brother was white? You don't really have to answer as I believe the point is already made. We are not weak, we only play weak. In fact our potential power is such that it sometimes scares us (Marianne again). Have a good day, Tycho. As for me, I plan to switch off my brain and simply enjoy the enjoy the beautiful game.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If both brothers chose, and arrived at the city of desire, then both are equal in strength.
Help? Both, equally.
Both brothers have not arrived. The only thing they can be certain of is this: they will either succeed together or fail together. But clearly they have chosen to interpret this principle in very different ways. Back to my question: "Which brother....?" They must be equally strong. And my help to them would be equal to the point of indifference. Is that your final answer? Jokes aside, would your answer change if I said the older brother was black and the younger brother was white? You don't really have to answer as I believe the point is already made. We are not weak, we only play weak. In fact our potential power is such that it sometimes scares us (Marianne again). Have a good day, Tycho. As for me, I plan to switch off my brain and simply enjoy the enjoy the beautiful game.
No. My answer wouldn't change.
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:If one considers the history of Man, and even the history of the Universe, and his subjectivity, several things become clear. Among them; Tycho, I was going to respond to your post when I saw the above non sequitur. Surely, the Universe by its very nature and definition (as all that is) can not have a history or a future. It simply is. Hello there Wakanyugi? I am glad to see you here with us. Thanks Muriel. Maybe you can help our brother Tycho. Sometimes he takes this illusion stuff too seriously. Like the man who walks into a pub, orders a few beers, gets drunk and then thinks inebriation is his permanent state. I worry that brother Tycho is going to wake up with a 'maduong' hangover one of these days. lol ,,,,,,,,, I will be here with beverage and accompaniment ,,,,,,,,,, as we sing the rhyme ,,,,, lol. Brother at times is just stubborn. I have a different opinion about Marianne Williamson (I am pro-separateness) but I get what you are putting across. Muriel, What is your beef with Marianne? By the way I completely separate a persons writing from their personality. I am yet to meet a writer whose persona equaled their writing. Indeed, and why is it, that the persona and the writing are different? I believe the creative endeavor is the platform on which human beings best express their greater, unlimited self. Their god-self if you like. The product of a well executed creative process therefore tends to seem greater than the person who created it. This is my theory anyway. Wakanyugi, interesting. I believe a person should and will own up and take responsibility for his actions and inactions, words and deeds. I do not believe in 'I wouldn't do it - its the angel/devil/karma/him/her/whoever-i-visualize/etc who made me do it.' mentality. As if there is no free will. Slave mentality. That is why just to say 'I'm sorry, I apologise.' is too hard for some people and people within his sphere of influence ends up affected one way or another. Especially when he tries to explain it away after hurting someone instead of owning up. Sorry for digressing there ,,,,,,, Its funny that here we switch sides pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality). Intriguing! How can I now explain myself? Help! Muriel, I have always believed that we, each of us, is responsible for the reality we create, so I am with you completely on this. This does not mean that others have no influence on our reality. But that we are responsible for letting them, when we do. In recent years I began to find massive evidence that this is not just a moral/spiritual fact but a scientific one too. For instance, I recall reading Michael Talbot's "The Holographic Universe," years ago and a proverbial light going on in my head. As to " ...pro-differentiation, pro-separateness (of person and personality)." I think Tycho put it quite well. There is no difference between the creater and the creation. Wakanyugi, What do you know? A flood light just came on for me in my head! Thank you, thank you. I did not cause the flood light (you know who is to blame). But you are welcome "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Laugh Laugh Laugh Affliction! Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh
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simonkabz wrote:tycho wrote:Juche, is a philosophy used by the people of the Democratic republic of Korea. Or North Korea. It is based on a human centered dialectic where the human is the principle actor and decider of his fate. It is a philosophy of 'self reliance'. Ultimate human responsibility in historical and cultural context. By offering a complete and consistent Juche, then am offering a critique and an illumination of the Korean philosophy, and extending it to all the people of the world. That is, we are discussing a philosophical and political system that is complete and consistent at 'all times'. The explanation is even worse  Wacha tu ibaki juche Just remembered this! Portfolio: Sold
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