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Russia Going to War with US over Ukraine?
kollabo
#51 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 12:00:50 PM
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There is zero chance of a war. Russia is just doing what US always does. I doubt Obama would want to push this any further.

Sanctions they will impose, propaganda they will write but Russia will remain in solidly in Crimea.
Robinhood
#52 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 1:31:15 PM
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You see the big powers have some unwritten rules. Each has full control over their own backyard. That's why the soviet union blinked first during the Cuban missile crisis. The US will blink first here. Russia could actually annex all of Ukraine and the US will do nothing - other than talk.

The cost of US intervention is simply too great for no gain at all, other than protecting an ego, and the US is quite happy with a bruised ego on Ukraine
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Alba
#53 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 3:38:27 PM
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I dont see why the US needs to intervene or even bother. Russians can make a mess of the place if they want to. Their currency is already falling as is their stock market.
murchr
#54 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 4:25:34 PM
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Nearly a hundred pro-Russian protesters in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk have seized two floors of the regional government building, after the self-imposed Kiev government appointed a local oligarch as a Donetsk Region governor.

In the building there are currently over 20 journalists and deputies of the local parliament, according to ITAR-TASS.

Earlier on Monday morning thousands of anti-Maidan activists came to the building of local administration. They were chanting "Taruta - out!" and carrying Russian flags and banners reading “Russians are our brothers.”
http://rt.com/news/ukrai...sk-protesters-storm-575/
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theman192000
#55 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 5:12:09 PM
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kyt wrote:
sanctions on Russia? ? really guys?

If Russia thinks that US cannot impose sanctions, let them pass anti-gay legislationsmile
murchr
#56 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 5:22:42 PM
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theman192000 wrote:
kyt wrote:
sanctions on Russia? ? really guys?

If Russia thinks that US cannot impose sanctions, let them pass anti-gay legislationsmile


Hio iko. The famous pussy riot
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captain kirk
#57 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 5:46:25 PM
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The Russian currency is at an all time low against the USD. Why??? It is not about whether sanctions will be initiated against Russia but what extent. US foreing affairs minister and finance ministers have stated categorically. Let us see who will come out on top.
murchr
#58 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 6:09:31 PM
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captain kirk wrote:
The Russian currency is at an all time low against the USD. Why??? It is not about whether sanctions will be initiated against Russia but what extent. US foreing affairs minister and finance ministers have stated categorically. Let us see who will come out on top.


Its down coz of the un-certainity, foreign investors are scared but that aint enough to shake Putin. Russians dont import oil or natural gas. They rarely need the USD. They own Europe.
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captain kirk
#59 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 6:36:07 PM
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murchr wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
The Russian currency is at an all time low against the USD. Why??? It is not about whether sanctions will be initiated against Russia but what extent. US foreing affairs minister and finance ministers have stated categorically. Let us see who will come out on top.


Its down coz of the un-certainity, foreign investors are scared but that aint enough to shake Putin. Russians dont import oil or natural gas. They rarely need the USD. They own Europe.

The is a risk Russia is exposing itself to here.
Russian economy depends a lot on its oil exports.
EU is the main buyer of oil and Russians need them too or they suffer losses in the short term.
In the long term, EU countries will have to buy from other producers to avoid blackmail.
murchr
#60 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 6:51:02 PM
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captain kirk wrote:
murchr wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
The Russian currency is at an all time low against the USD. Why??? It is not about whether sanctions will be initiated against Russia but what extent. US foreing affairs minister and finance ministers have stated categorically. Let us see who will come out on top.


Its down coz of the un-certainity, foreign investors are scared but that aint enough to shake Putin. Russians dont import oil or natural gas. They rarely need the USD. They own Europe.

The is a risk Russia is exposing itself to here.
Russian economy depends a lot on its oil exports.
EU is the main buyer of oil and Russians need them too or they suffer losses in the short term.
In the long term, EU countries will have to buy from other producers to avoid blackmail.


Its not that simple. If you dont buy oil from Russia then supply will go down and the prices will skyrocket. No one wants such a situation. Oil prices are enough to cause a revolution in any state in the west. Thats why those who play games with it have to go down - read Sadam and Gadaffi.
The banks in Europe are surviving on Russian money, if they pull the plug wait to see countries in the EU go down. Its not that simple as you assume, that's why the wise lady of Germany is calling for caution.
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