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What Ails Africa
Msa Liti
#101 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:19:58 PM
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If we are not careful this will be repeated now by the Chinese.

Something very sensible in the comments section:


Linghong Hu 1 week ago

Back in 2008, Lee Kuan Yew suggested in an article on forbes that Chinese should "cease to view themselves as victims of Western imperialism", it may apply to the Africans as well. This is not an attempt to erase what the western countries did in the past. It is to prepare you for the future nation building
tycho
#102 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:58:24 PM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Tycho and Kysse,

Both of you are right.

But you both of you think the other is wrong.

Lol. Cant help but laugh.


Would you rather leave us in this 'ignorance', and 'confusion'?







We are trying to find solutions to what ails Africa.

Because it seems we have found out that somethings is wrong with Africa because we have measured Africa and found it wanting.

Question is, what or who have we measured against? What makes them the standard with which to measure Africa? Who made them the standard? When? For what? For whom? Why do they think they are THE standard? We should, ought, must defy them at all costs. Its our bounden duty to tell them wapeleke ujuaji huko.

So you are very very right.

And.

The whole world is going to wonder after a certain western power lets call it the 'west' and the 'west' will force the whole world to 'worship' the 'west'. Ridiculous, right?

Kysse has already observed this; the 'forcing', the 'worshipping' - our own 'African' institutions are toothless bulldog and when you turn against the 'west' you suffer the consequences. This 'west' has refused to and will not mind its own business and let others be. Its happening even today the spying, the forcing, the cajoling, the bombing. And there is nothing anyone can do about it. Not even you.

So Kysse is also very very right.

See?

Each of you is feeling a different part of the elephant and are accusing each other. lol.


I doubt whether we are 'accusing each other', and specifically, over different parts of an elephant. Though we are alas, talking about different parts of the elephant.

Life is characterized by forces, and to be, is to overcome. And if we will, then we can.

We must have will, and power in our words. It's in our power to do, and must accept that the forces to be overcome are formidable.

Our status as human beings renders us powerful by Divine right.

And my concern is that @kysse doesn't seem to recognize this. And this is what ails Africa. It's like God despises us. Something that is impossible.
kysse
#103 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 3:03:40 PM
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smile see no one really cares.It's about ME ,I and MYSELF.
That's the reality.
washiku
#104 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 4:43:37 PM
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Saw this: Stop Excuses And Start Building Africa...http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-133370/stop-excuses-and-start-building-africa
poundfoolish
#105 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 4:46:31 PM
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Reminds me of a nigerian brother lamenting

"Nigeria! Solutions are simple, but excuses are many many many"

washiku wrote:
Saw this: Stop Excuses And Start Building Africa...http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-133370/stop-excuses-and-start-building-africa

Nabwire
#106 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:56:55 AM
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I would say that Africans' biggest problem is complacency. People are usually content with whatever stage in life they are in, or they have given up on climbing up the ladder that makes them give excuse after excuse about their situation, or live vicariously through someone else, usually wealthier. Thats why politicians have a stranglehold on Kenyans, coz people live vicariously through them and think that if my man gets elected, I will have somehow gotten the top seat!! And ofcourse complacency breeds mediocrity and victim mentality. No one ever competes with the top guys, they instead just cheer them on. When the iPhone first came out, I thought the other companies would go bankprupt, but instead they invested heavily on R&D and withing 2 years, they had equivalents of the iPhone which they priced competitively. Lets pretend iPhone was a product of Africa, who can honestly say that they would be facing stiff competition just years after revolutionizing phones? Lets be honest, the other companies would have said "tumewainamishia"
I think this complacency also makes most Africans who are at the middle of the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, look down at those below them and feel a sense of accomplishment, they forget that they are only halfway up,meaning they still have quite a ways to go. Americans on the other hand are always pushing boundaries and trying to improve. You will find someone who is at the top of Maslow's hierarchy, not content, and trying to expand his horizons. Thats why you will see them do things like hiking Everest, sky diving and just attempting things that are just ridiculous to us. I watched a movie on Sir Shackleton who was an adventurer and he went on an expedition to the Antarctic with 15 men, one year after they set sail, their ship was stuck in the icy waters,and it gets worse, the ship started cracking because the ice froze over the wooden structure of the ship. If this was Africans in that ship, be honest and imagine what kind of mindset they would have. Shackleton and his crew instead kept themselves busy with games and cleaning the ship while they figured out a solution. Imagine playing games on a frozen sea, while your ship is slowly wrecking away and there is no way of calling for help, this was 1914, there were no telephones. 2 years after embarking on the journey, they finally got to shore, 2 years of living in the bitter Antarctic cold. My point is Westerners have had to deal with extrememly harsh conditions that made them adapt to harsh conditions and always self improve. Africans on the other hand lived in relative calm and good weather, thats why you'll see most people fight change like in the letter to Diaspora thread, people are like this is how things were done 50 years ago, and its how they will be done 50 years from now. Complacency! Granted you dont want to throw out everything with the kitchen sink, but if you know something will benefit society at large, you should atleast try it. What ails Africa is that most Africans are not only afraid of change, but constant change. Couple that with religion and history written by foreigners, and it becomes really messy. My first lesson of African History was about Vasco Da Gama, thats wrong on so many levels!!
Rankaz13
#107 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:00:40 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
I would say that Africans' biggest problem is complacency. People are usually content with whatever stage in life they are in, or they have given up on climbing up the ladder that makes them give excuse after excuse about their situation, or live vicariously through someone else, usually wealthier. Thats why politicians have a stranglehold on Kenyans, coz people live vicariously through them and think that if my man gets elected, I will have somehow gotten the top seat!! And ofcourse complacency breeds mediocrity and victim mentality. No one ever competes with the top guys, they instead just cheer them on. When the iPhone first came out, I thought the other companies would go bankprupt, but instead they invested heavily on R&D and withing 2 years, they had equivalents of the iPhone which they priced competitively. Lets pretend iPhone was a product of Africa, who can honestly say that they would be facing stiff competition just years after revolutionizing phones? Lets be honest, the other companies would have said "tumewainamishia"
I think this complacency also makes most Africans who are at the middle of the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, look down at those below them and feel a sense of accomplishment, they forget that they are only halfway up,meaning they still have quite a ways to go. Americans on the other hand are always pushing boundaries and trying to improve. You will find someone who is at the top of Maslow's hierarchy, not content, and trying to expand his horizons. Thats why you will see them do things like hiking Everest, sky diving and just attempting things that are just ridiculous to us. I watched a movie on Sir Shackleton who was an adventurer and he went on an expedition to the Antarctic with 15 men, one year after they set sail, their ship was stuck in the icy waters,and it gets worse, the ship started cracking because the ice froze over the wooden structure of the ship. If this was Africans in that ship, be honest and imagine what kind of mindset they would have. Shackleton and his crew instead kept themselves busy with games and cleaning the ship while they figured out a solution. Imagine playing games on a frozen sea, while your ship is slowly wrecking away and there is no way of calling for help, this was 1914, there were no telephones. 2 years after embarking on the journey, they finally got to shore, 2 years of living in the bitter Antarctic cold. My point is Westerners have had to deal with extrememly harsh conditions that made them adapt to harsh conditions and always self improve. Africans on the other hand lived in relative calm and good weather, thats why you'll see most people fight change like in the letter to Diaspora thread, people are like this is how things were done 50 years ago, and its how they will be done 50 years from now. Complacency! Granted you dont want to throw out everything with the kitchen sink, but if you know something will benefit society at large, you should atleast try it. What ails Africa is that most Africans are not only afraid of change, but constant change. Couple that with religion and history written by foreigners, and it becomes really messy. My first lesson of African History was about Vasco Da Gama, thats wrong on so many levels!!


I recall my first time in Nbi when I saw Muindi Mbingu street and I wondered who was this Muindi Mbingu? And why had I never heard of him/her? Needless to say, info on the same was scanty to say the least.
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
Nabwire
#108 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 2:40:28 AM
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I'll be honest, I dont know who Muindi Bingu is, matter of fact if you didnt bring that up I would have continued assuming as I always have that thats just the name of a street, much like you'd have River road. Thats the tragedy of our education, we were forced to learn things about the British and how they were benevolent enough to colonize us, complete waste of my brain cells! Up until high school , I thought slavery was just something that happened in the series Roots, I didnt realize it was real life. So I consciously try to de-learn things that I consider useless that were forced down my throat.
Nabwire
#109 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 2:58:21 AM
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murchr
#110 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 3:38:33 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
I'll be honest, I dont know who Muindi Bingu is, matter of fact if you didnt bring that up I would have continued assuming as I always have that thats just the name of a street, much like you'd have River road. Thats the tragedy of our education, we were forced to learn things about the British and how they were benevolent enough to colonize us, complete waste of my brain cells! Up until high school , I thought slavery was just something that happened in the series Roots, I didnt realize it was real life. So I consciously try to de-learn things that I consider useless that were forced down my throat.


Muindi Mbingu is the Kamba leader who led the revolution in Kao land when the british govt conducted the destocking exercise. It is believed he is the one who coined the maumau word from the kamba language where Umau means guka or grandfather if you like. So Muindi mbingu lead a group of farmers who came to courier corps (now kariokor) and carried out a rally there saying " “twenda kwikala ta maau mau maitu, twithye ngombe ta Mau mau maitu, nundu nthi ino ni ya maau mau maitu. (We want to live like our grandfathers, keep cattle like our grandfathers, for the land we live on is our grandfathers). The colonialist later accused him of being the founder of “Mau Mau uprising “- the Mau Mau is accredited to this brave nationalist.

Source
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kivairu
#111 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 3:33:20 PM
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Not willing to try...believing its fate that you can't live decently or that your folks are better blessed or that you are a lesser mortal than should only be helped instead of working out solutions from within

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
kivairu
#112 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 3:35:01 PM
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symbols wrote:
1.Attitude/Mentality - Learned helplessness.
2.Culture - We're reactive.We spend time complaining and assigning blame thenSilenced
3.Corruption/Greed - Not my problem until it is.



seconded on 1&2

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
Nabwire
#113 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:24:24 PM
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murchr wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
I'll be honest, I dont know who Muindi Bingu is, matter of fact if you didnt bring that up I would have continued assuming as I always have that thats just the name of a street, much like you'd have River road. Thats the tragedy of our education, we were forced to learn things about the British and how they were benevolent enough to colonize us, complete waste of my brain cells! Up until high school , I thought slavery was just something that happened in the series Roots, I didnt realize it was real life. So I consciously try to de-learn things that I consider useless that were forced down my throat.


Muindi Mbingu is the Kamba leader who led the revolution in Kao land when the british govt conducted the destocking exercise. It is believed he is the one who coined the maumau word from the kamba language where Umau means guka or grandfather if you like. So Muindi mbingu lead a group of farmers who came to courier corps (now kariokor) and carried out a rally there saying " “twenda kwikala ta maau mau maitu, twithye ngombe ta Mau mau maitu, nundu nthi ino ni ya maau mau maitu. (We want to live like our grandfathers, keep cattle like our grandfathers, for the land we live on is our grandfathers). The colonialist later accused him of being the founder of “Mau Mau uprising “- the Mau Mau is accredited to this brave nationalist.

Source


Thanks for the info!
harrydre
#114 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:39:29 PM
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#115 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:48:50 AM
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What Ails Africa? Tanzania and @Kiash
Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi

kysse
#116 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:14:16 AM
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dunkang wrote:
What Ails Africa? Tanzania and @Kiash


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly evil,

Mentality/Culture tops my chart.- You can never bring change to a people with a rigid mindset.



obiero
#117 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:11:22 AM
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most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed

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kysse
#118 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:48:59 AM
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obiero wrote:
most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed


Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed.
Difference is in the mind.

If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants.







AlphDoti
#119 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:13:36 PM
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kysse wrote:
obiero wrote:
most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed

Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed.
Difference is in the mind.

If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants.

Let me put a little twist to this. I was doing some reasearch and stumbled on a documentary, which depicts Africans as the real Jews. The documentary pins down many proofs from the Bible where God eventually abandoned the tribe (Jews black people) because they became rebelious when they walked away from the LAW/commandments... I can't remember the title.
kysse
#120 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:31:50 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
kysse wrote:
obiero wrote:
most people have attempted to answer, but actually Africa is simply cursed

Excuses ail Africa, We are blessed.
Difference is in the mind.

If a mzungu occupies a floor in a flat/apartment, gizzards automatically increase rent for all tenants.

Let me put a little twist to this. I was doing some reasearch and stumbled on a documentary, which depicts Africans as the real Jews. The documentary pins down many proofs from the Bible where God eventually abandoned the tribe (Jews black people) because they became rebelious when they walked away from the LAW/commandments... I can't remember the title.


I dread religious talks but here is what Alpha.
The law was given to Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus.It's called the Dispensation of Grace,a new chapter and beginning which supercedes the old dispensation.

Quote:
The first covenant was in these terms,—"You do right, and God will reward you for it. If you deserve life, God will give it to you." Now,that covenant was broken all to pieces; it was unable to stand by reason of the weakness of our flesh and the corruptness of our nature. So God set aside that first covenant, he put it away as an outworn and useless thing; and he brought in a new covenant,—the covenant of grace; and in our text we see what is the tenor of it: "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts." by is spirit.


@ Alpha always know that 'Good works'= The Law are as filthy rags before the Lord.
Isaiah 64.6
Grace is what.


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