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tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree  A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true?
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? Yes.
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? Like I have changed at least thrice before making this post.
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did tycho ever click 'here'? I havent read the thread yet - too long and it will waste valuable post posting time  ( pushing up my count) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? It becomes easier to understand others once you understand the core of their emanations.The mind wanders around the heart.
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symbols wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? It becomes easier to understand others once you understand the core of their emanations.The mind wanders around the heart. Yes. Words can be limiting sometimes hence the use of expressions etc the nuances of which can only be grasped if only the core is understood. A deeper understanding, not just of the words in use. So, change is constant, only how it (the change) is expressed changes.
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? It becomes easier to understand others once you understand the core of their emanations.The mind wanders around the heart. Yes. Words can be limiting sometimes hence the use of expressions etc the nuances of which can only be grasped if only the core is understood. A deeper understanding, not just of the words in use. So, change is constant, only how it (the change) is expressed changes. What I want to understand is the nature of references because that's what we use to give meaning to stimuli.Such a 'template'(although idealistic) is elusive because it eventually leads to trying to understand reference without using references.
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symbols wrote:
What I want to understand is the nature of references because that's what we use to give meaning to stimuli.Such a 'template'(although idealistic) is elusive because it eventually leads to trying to understand reference without using references.
No, to understand the nature of references from your perspective is to misunderstand the nature of the stimuli. This is what causes confusion. To understand the references and their use from the standpoint of the speaker, the core of their emanations as you said earlier is key.
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:
What I want to understand is the nature of references because that's what we use to give meaning to stimuli.Such a 'template'(although idealistic) is elusive because it eventually leads to trying to understand reference without using references.
No, to understand the nature of references from your perspective is to misunderstand the nature of the stimuli. This is what causes confusion. To understand the references and their use from the standpoint of the speaker, the core of their emanations as you said earlier is key. I've become quite familiar with confusion I'd say that's the point.How to independently define stimuli without misrepresenting it and understanding the 'thinking component'.A good example,how do those born deaf think without a voice in their head?
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? Like I have changed at least thrice before making this post. ...i've even seen change elsewhere. but i expect that soon you shall return...i bow out!!!
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You can neither bow, nor wait for a return. You are also changing. Either you're your mind is eating you up, or your mind is expanding and finding new energy for more and more change. If it's land, then the land is so vast, and your consciousness eternal, that you have no need to build a house.
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tycho wrote:You can neither bow, nor wait for a return. You are also changing. Either you're your mind is eating you up, or your mind is expanding and finding new energy for more and more change. If it's land, then the land is so vast, and your consciousness eternal, that you have no need to build a house.
for people like me, we run for the hills and watch from there. then we return when it's safer to return. cowards we are. na usichambue hii sentensi. am happy to read your exchanges with kina symbols, muriel and essyk. mimi hapana wa hii mafikira ngumu ngumu
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I have some training in psychoanalysis. I wish to psychoanalyse you, do you agree?
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:You can neither bow, nor wait for a return. You are also changing. Either you're your mind is eating you up, or your mind is expanding and finding new energy for more and more change. If it's land, then the land is so vast, and your consciousness eternal, that you have no need to build a house.
for people like me, we run for the hills and watch from there. then we return when it's safer to return. cowards we are. na usichambue hii sentensi. am happy to read your exchanges with kina symbols, muriel and essyk. mimi hapana wa hii mafikira ngumu ngumu There's nothing to fear. Do you know that 'God' can make a burden too heavy for him to carry? And that, that burden is the human being? And the story takes a twist when man himself has to 'unburden' 'God'. So the hills are no places of comfort and strength and power. But the conversation of friends with love, is enough to secure and nourish the soul. Even simple thoughts are welcome.
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Ole Lenku wrote:I have some training in psychoanalysis. I wish to psychoanalyse you, do you agree? And how does the psychoanalysis go?
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tycho wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:I have some training in psychoanalysis. I wish to psychoanalyse you, do you agree? And how does the psychoanalysis go? There is a questionnaire I prefer to send it to you via e mail and once you fill it you e mail it back. The next step is I analyze your answers and give a formulation(conclusion). Your confidentiality is guaranteed and I can only share with you my conclusions from the assessments.
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Ole Lenku wrote:tycho wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:I have some training in psychoanalysis. I wish to psychoanalyse you, do you agree? And how does the psychoanalysis go? There is a questionnaire I would rather send it to you via e mail and once you fill it you e mail it back. Your confidentiality is guaranteed and I can only share with you my conclusions from the assessments. Can my mind fit in a questionnaire? Would I even want it to fit there? How about a conversation with me and asking all those questions here for all of us to participate?
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:You can neither bow, nor wait for a return. You are also changing. Either you're your mind is eating you up, or your mind is expanding and finding new energy for more and more change. If it's land, then the land is so vast, and your consciousness eternal, that you have no need to build a house.
for people like me, we run for the hills and watch from there. then we return when it's safer to return. cowards we are. na usichambue hii sentensi. am happy to read your exchanges with kina symbols, muriel and essyk. mimi hapana wa hii mafikira ngumu ngumu There's nothing to fear. Do you know that 'God' can make a burden too heavy for him to carry? And that, that burden is the human being? And the story takes a twist when man himself has to 'unburden' 'God'. So the hills are no places of comfort and strength and power. But the conversation of friends with love, is enough to secure and nourish the soul. Even simple thoughts are welcome. So you agree your thoughts are complicated?
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:You can neither bow, nor wait for a return. You are also changing. Either you're your mind is eating you up, or your mind is expanding and finding new energy for more and more change. If it's land, then the land is so vast, and your consciousness eternal, that you have no need to build a house.
for people like me, we run for the hills and watch from there. then we return when it's safer to return. cowards we are. na usichambue hii sentensi. am happy to read your exchanges with kina symbols, muriel and essyk. mimi hapana wa hii mafikira ngumu ngumu There's nothing to fear. Do you know that 'God' can make a burden too heavy for him to carry? And that, that burden is the human being? And the story takes a twist when man himself has to 'unburden' 'God'. So the hills are no places of comfort and strength and power. But the conversation of friends with love, is enough to secure and nourish the soul. Even simple thoughts are welcome. So you agree your thoughts are complicated? No. I don't agree. Am only saying that I also accommodate the diffident.
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tycho wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:tycho wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:I have some training in psychoanalysis. I wish to psychoanalyse you, do you agree? And how does the psychoanalysis go? There is a questionnaire I would rather send it to you via e mail and once you fill it you e mail it back. Your confidentiality is guaranteed and I can only share with you my conclusions from the assessments. Can my mind fit in a questionnaire? Would I even want it to fit there? How about a conversation with me and asking all those questions here for all of us to participate? The questionnaire is semi structured so it will not restrict you.
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