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"I Will Not Apologize" -- Caroline Mutoko Responds to Plagiarism Claims
YesuWangu
#51 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 12:22:30 PM
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masukuma wrote:
this business of intellectual property is a self defeating idea that we have been indoctrinated with - We should not care about such things, tuko down and its our way getting back at the owners, I actually don't recognize 'IP', I always encourage people to use proprietary software but never to buy such. Currently on my PC i have software products that would have cost over $50k - AND I AM PROUD OF IT. its my way of getting back to those thieves that have been robbing our continent for centuries - first it was labour then it came to raw materials. Hakuna siku mwafrika atakuwa mzungu - uliza mchina... aligundua hivyo.


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But seriously you should not be proud of it. There will never be a good reason to do that. Why should you do that when there are free alternatives available. For example in my case, I have all the software I need but I cannot quantify the cost because it is Linux and free. I cannot possibly begin to pay for the opposite numbers yet I are at par with those that can.

That is the difference when you use others work. If the owner has let his work out to run free in the wild as it were, then it is free. It is NOT plagiarism or stealing if you use it as if it were your own.

That goes for knowledge. For instance Isaac Newton did not own and claim the knowledge of gravity as his own even though the publication on which you read it will claim copyrights over that publication.

But if the owner has not let it out so and wants due recognition for his work where it goes and you do not comply when you appropriate it for yourself, that is just plain wrong. Just look how the phone makers are suing themselves.

We need to lead by example. And from the front.

masukuma
#52 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 12:43:13 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
this business of intellectual property is a self defeating idea that we have been indoctrinated with - We should not care about such things, tuko down and its our way getting back at the owners, I actually don't recognize 'IP', I always encourage people to use proprietary software but never to buy such. Currently on my PC i have software products that would have cost over $50k - AND I AM PROUD OF IT. its my way of getting back to those thieves that have been robbing our continent for centuries - first it was labour then it came to raw materials. Hakuna siku mwafrika atakuwa mzungu - uliza mchina... aligundua hivyo.


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

But seriously you should not be proud of it. There will never be a good reason to do that. Why should you do that when there are free alternatives available. For example in my case, I have all the software I need but I cannot quantify the cost because it is Linux and free. I cannot possibly begin to pay for the opposite numbers yet I are at par with those that can.

That is the difference when you use others work. If the owner has let his work out to run free in the wild as it were, then it is free. It is NOT plagiarism or stealing if you use it as if it were your own.

That goes for knowledge. For instance Isaac Newton did not own and claim the knowledge of gravity as his own even though the publication on which you read it will claim copyrights over that publication.

But if the owner has not let it out so and wants due recognition for his work where it goes and you do not comply when you appropriate it for yourself, that is just plain wrong. Just look how the phone makers are suing themselves.

We need to lead by example. And from the front.


call it what you may - people cannot coin definition of stuff then force you to tow the line. I will not use opensource stuff because we have better proprietary. its Newton's third law - for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. the good reason i have is that its my way of expressing the rejection of imaginary laws and regimes (such as IP, Patenting e.t.c) that are meant to keep you as an African back. I refuse to acknowledge its validity.
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alma
#53 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 12:53:03 PM
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@masukuma being original is a gift from God. And from someone who professes his faith on this forum so vehemently, its a shame to see you're admitting to being a common thief.

I also counselled you before on the use of words like "us" and "me". If you have issues being an African say so, but don't use that as an excuse to steal.

Once there was a gang called the mungiki who refused to accept the validity of simple laws of don't covet your neighbours property. I'm sure you were one of the fellows who were screaming they should be hanged.

As they say, don't throw stones, especially if you are a common thief yourself.
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Money Whisperer
#54 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 1:47:57 PM
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Teacher! teacher! I've raised my hand. safi kama pamba. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
essyk wrote:
Raise up your hand if you have never been guilty of plagiarism.


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#55 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 1:59:35 PM
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Carol Mutoko is a serial plagiarist. look at this article she wrote on August 13 2012 titled "Dear Ladies, Greatness Has Been Found" http://www.the-star.co.k...reatness-has-been-found where she writes,

Covered in clothing from head to toe, except for her smiling face poking out from her hood, Attar's debut came five days after a Saudi judo athlete became the ultraconservative country's first female competitor at any Olympics. Her mother is American and her father is Saudi. She has dual citizenship. Attar wanted to represent Saudi Arabia at the Olympics as a way of inspiring women – she could have run as an American.

These are the exact words found in an article by AP (associated Press) in this US Today magazine
http://www.usatoday.com/...-saudi-women/56869212/1
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alma
#56 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:07:31 PM
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#57 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:23:12 PM
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Again look at Mutoko's article "The Women of My Generatin Kinda Blew It" dated 25th June 2012 http://www.the-star.co.k...eneration-kinda-blew-it and you get this,

Only you can decide what defines success for you, and you’ll have to decide it over and over and over again. But know this, it is the ultimate luxury to combine passion and contribution. It’s also a very clear path to happiness.

words that appear in a speech by Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook's COO given during Barnard College's commencement,may 17 2011 where she said,
Quote:
Only you can decide that, and you’ll have to decide it over and over and over. But if you think it’s a rat race, before you drop out, take a deep breath. Maybe you picked the wrong job. Try again. And then try again. Try until you find something that stirs your passion, a job that matters to you and matters to others. It is the ultimate luxury to combine passion and contribution. It’s also a very clear path to happiness.
Find transcript and video here http://barnard.edu/headl...erating-officer-facebook
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masukuma
#58 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:24:45 PM
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alma wrote:
@masukuma being original is a gift from God. And from someone who professes his faith on this forum so vehemently, its a shame to see you're admitting to being a common thief.

I also counselled you before on the use of words like "us" and "me". If you have issues being an African say so, but don't use that as an excuse to steal.

Once there was a gang called the mungiki who refused to accept the validity of simple laws of don't covet your neighbours property. I'm sure you were one of the fellows who were screaming they should be hanged.

As they say, don't throw stones, especially if you are a common thief yourself.

this is the problem - I don't consider it theft! when someone defines something as theft that I don't agree with, I am not obliged to follow it. Next time we will be forced to quote our sources when we crack jokes... Once you have written something it becomes an idea and ideas should be allowed to flow freely!

on physical property - we all have an idea of what it is... on intellectual property, WE DON'T
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#59 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:35:51 PM
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In the same article of June 25th Mutoko writes

I’m not suggesting you be boastful. No one likes that in men or women. However, I am stating categorically that believing in yourself is the first necessary step to coming even close to achieving your potential.

Sheryl in the commencement speech said

Quote:
I’m not suggesting you be boastful. No one likes that in men or women. But I am suggesting that believing in yourself is the first necessary step to coming even close to achieving your potential.
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#60 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:41:52 PM
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Shame on you Shame on you Masukuma, we do have a clear knowledge of what IP is. uliza uambiwe.Cracking jokes at a party is different from publishing an article. Even when you crack a joke expecting to generate income from it, if it is not yours then acknowledge where you got it and if royalties are due pay them
masukuma wrote:
on intellectual property, WE DON'T

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