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30yr bond at 12%. Any takers?
guru267
#51 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 11:33:43 AM
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invest0r wrote:
Laughing out loudly
SAC Cohen wrote:
kizee1 wrote:
no wonder njuguna ndungu says every market has a mad man


hahahaha... was looking at this post after last week's TBILL & TBond Results...

I guess between Ndungu and I , one of us must be MAD.

DARE I SAY 13% on the 182-day T-bill this week?



13% for the 182 day bill sounds very ambitious in the current week. But we are slowly steadily heading to those levels. After all, the paper has tested 13% in the past, in 2001

I think this is not the time to touch the long term papers, unless its at 30% and above Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


What do you anticipate will come out of the MPC meeting?? If they cool inflation then short term rates start to dive... They might have peaked today
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KulaRaha
#52 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 11:41:46 AM
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I'd say 11% this week for 182 day bills, and perhaps 10% for 91 day.

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SAC Cohen
#53 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 12:02:38 PM
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Inflation numbers expected @14% or thereabout, I reckon MPC will raise by 50-100bp. CBK front running these next 2 auctions before budget reading. Why do i say so?
91-Day tbill auction was for 3B, CBK took all the bids (8B+)... at even 9.25%!!!!
It can only mean the budget numbers we expect will be extraordinary and the gava needs to pick this up before the budget...
bwenyenye
#54 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:33:17 PM
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It looks like the lending rates will start edging upwards as government increases its borrowing in the local market. Me thinks we will find ourselves in the pre- Mwiraria era with banks preferring to lend to Govt at the expense of the individual borrowers. Woe unto those who intend to borrow in the next six to twenty four months.
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Cde Monomotapa
#55 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:55:00 PM
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If I were a bank I wouldn't raise lending rates on existing loans to avoid NPLs. 2. I would neither raise deposit rates to maintain my cost of funds. 3.I would keep lending although cautiously. 4.and most of all be very active in govt.debt mkt and with this kinda rates i'd make a KILLING!
cnn
#56 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:33:57 PM
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SAC Cohen wrote:
Inflation numbers expected @14% or thereabout, I reckon MPC will raise by 50-100bp. CBK front running these next 2 auctions before budget reading. Why do i say so?
91-Day tbill auction was for 3B, CBK took all the bids (8B+)... at even 9.25%!!!!
It can only mean the budget numbers we expect will be extraordinary and the gava needs to pick this up before the budget...

Raised by 25bp to 6.25.
Gaudente2
#57 Posted : Saturday, July 09, 2011 11:41:53 AM
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on the NSE site I see a price of 81.30 for this bond, meaning a yield to maturity of about 15% ... is that price real or is the market illiquid ?
Mike_Watts
#58 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:02:42 PM
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jerry wrote:
@amolo; Life expectancy of a fetus/foetus is not same as for a baby, neither is it same as for a 45yr old. Or is it 0 for 45 yr old? So it varies with your age.

You must be an actuary.Applause
Scooby
#59 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:17:42 AM
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Gaudente2 wrote:
on the NSE site I see a price of 81.30 for this bond, meaning a yield to maturity of about 15% ... is that price real or is the market illiquid ?


@Gaudente,

It could be both.

On one hand, the market is trying to avoid placing funds in long term investments...which is a common thing at this time of our country i.e. at least 18 months before the election.

In looking at the latest yield curve (i.e. as at 5 August 2011), I notice that there is no difference between the yield for a 25 year and 30 year bond. That tells you how much investors are being cautious.

On the other hand, I believe that the price could be about right for such kind of durations. Its really not about the investment being illiquid but how much risk (or its perception) is being factored for such an investment.

Let me know if you need further clarification.

Regards
jerry
#60 Posted : Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:16:51 AM
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Mike_Watts wrote:
jerry wrote:
@amolo; Life expectancy of a fetus/foetus is not same as for a baby, neither is it same as for a 45yr old. Or is it 0 for 45 yr old? So it varies with your age.

You must be an actuary.Applause

@Mike_Watts. Thanks If all realists r Actuaries then u r rt. Watts! Are u an Electrical engineer or an aspiring 1?
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