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Why are Kikuyus supporting Ruto?
Karema Hiti
#51 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:52:08 PM
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[quote=simonkabz]The emerging alliances r the epitome of ethnicity, right? Anyway someone kindly answer the 1st question.[/quote)

I wonder why any mention of two Kikuyu elders meeting becomes the epitome of ethnicity. It becomes even worse when a Kikuyu is seen dining or having some coffee with a non-Kikuyu. This is always code-named a tribal alliance. This has been the gospel according to RAO and the like minded opportunists since 2005. He perfected it and he is at it again. If UK were to visit a Luhya MPig in Western, RAO (and his infantry) will have something to light their jiko with the following morning. What am I saying in short? This tribal talk will never intimidate some us and will countered with the same measure of venom. Stop this talk of Kikuyu, Kikuyu every time your political star is dwindling!
QD
#52 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 3:55:51 PM
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Being level headed in this conversation will help "us" propagate peace.
..Not all contributers in this thread are kaleos or kuyks, but we are all kenyans.
..Lets make peace with each other in our offices, homes, churches, mkts etc en most in this blog coz atleast each wazuan member can influence five more pple en all bet we may just start seeing the peace we want
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
bepari
#53 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:01:05 PM
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@much know,i like your 'callin as you see it' attitude.
we the electorate did fail in our duty,we vote for the wrong pple and for the wrong reasons;kuyos, kaleos,luos all endure bad governance but come election time,tribe becomes the only criteria,not who can deliver.it becomes a matter of them vs us not issue a vs b. what we sow is what we reap. Now what can we do to change this tribe based politics?
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
YesuWangu
#54 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:01:28 PM
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Indeed people are not forced to support politicians. What happens is that they willingly support those politicians.

The politician deceives the person into believing that person is the one on the spot. This same politician also deceives the person into believing that the person must be defensive against the politicians enemies.

Then we have many persons, taking up the politicians poison and and owning it like it were their burden.
Like legs walking, so long as one leg keeps going forward passing the other the whole thing keeps moving. When one leg doesnt go even after the other has gone, the thing stops.

We usually urge a section of Kenyans to stop being beholden to certain man while at the same time do our bit to be beholden to our own men.
hoodrat
#55 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:10:51 PM
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So who is waiting for who to change first?The politicians will always throw the tribal bait at every opportunity because they know very well the masses will bite it hook and sink,forget about all about that perfomance record stuff.This forum is already charged so you can already tell what will inform how they vote in the next GE!
Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
YesuWangu
#56 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:19:06 PM
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hoodrat wrote:
So who is waiting for who to change first?The politicians will always throw the tribal bait at every opportunity because they know very well the masses will bite it hook and sink,forget about all about that perfomance record stuff.This forum is already charged so you can already tell what will inform how they vote in the next GE!


I dont know.

But one thing I see could be a ray of hope. We have not seen him going to his community to tell them they are being targetted.

That makes him different, a little bit more mature. I hope he does not do that. I sincerely do.
Much Know
#57 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:27:41 PM
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bepari wrote:
Now what can we do to change this tribe based politics?

Yours is a very big question and hope some genuine strategies and contributions can be developed in such a forum, was about to give up on it. I doubt though tribalism will fade as fast as we would like it to, but I think one of the things we ought to do is quickly punish those who perpetuate tribal violence and intimidation as a political strategy and to stump out tribal practices in government employment, contracts etc through prosecutions and demands for resignations as with the Kosgey/koskey etc so there are no big benefits to being tribal, i guess that would help control it. We should work against tribal favoritism in government the way PLO is dealing with corruption. Racism for example is very hard to deal with, but dealing with racial violence and discrimination is a good start. We need to control any benefits "power" an individual accrues from his community by offering tribal goodies, this is how Moi messed up Kenya, entrenched tribalism and is what some violent community misses.
Ras Kienyeji Man
McReggae
#58 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:27:49 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
hoodrat wrote:
So who is waiting for who to change first?The politicians will always throw the tribal bait at every opportunity because they know very well the masses will bite it hook and sink,forget about all about that perfomance record stuff.This forum is already charged so you can already tell what will inform how they vote in the next GE!


I dont know.

But one thing I see could be a ray of hope. We have not seen him going to his community to tell them they are being targetted.

That makes him different, a little bit more mature. I hope he does not do that. I sincerely do.


Whom are you referring to here???

The wazua gets charged on this subject sends a chill down my spine, I fear for twentetwelof!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
bepari
#59 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:42:31 PM
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We do face a daunting task as a nation because we are on a train to destruction. the politicians that we are so quick to blame are products of our tribal society. so lets start with us. lets deal with issues in an honest manner.
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
Wendz
#60 Posted : Monday, February 07, 2011 4:45:12 PM
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Much Know wrote:
bepari wrote:
Now what can we do to change this tribe based politics?

Yours is a very big question and hope some genuine strategies and contributions can be developed in such a forum, was about to give up on it. I doubt though tribalism will fade as fast as we would like it to, but I think one of the things we ought to do is quickly punish those who perpetuate tribal violence and intimidation as a political strategy and to stump out tribal practices in government employment, contracts etc through prosecutions and demands for resignations as with the Kosgey/koskey etc so there are no big benefits to being tribal, i guess that would help control it. We should work against tribal favoritism in government the way PLO is dealing with corruption. Racism for example is very hard to deal with, but dealing with racial violence and discrimination is a good start. We need to control any benefits "power" an individual accrues from his community by offering tribal goodies, this is how Moi messed up Kenya, entrenched tribalism and is what some violent community misses.


Now, this sounds like we are headed in the right direction.... once people have this set of mindset, especially the middle class that has always been 'indifferent', then it becomes easy to start seeking practical solutions.... like educating the masses right from your parents, siblings, schools, churches, work place, wherever you meet people and have a chance to talk about our diversity etc and they will spread the gospel.


For example, if you participate in youth forums in your church, school etc - take some time and talk about it. If you are a chairman of the men/women/guild associations in church etc... talk to your parents, if they have these positions, talk to them into agreeing to talk of these issues.... etc... thats where we make a difference as "small" people.
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