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kibaki nominates visram as chief justice
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#51 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 8:11:23 AM
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everybody (almost) knows what the constitution says.

a)problem is...
consultation is an ambiguous, indecisive word that some lazy chicken lawyers/politicians should be thoroughly whipped for ever allowing into the constitution.

b)fact is...
in the letter of the law, consultation is not concurrence.

c)truth is...
there is a 'constitutional crisis' only because MP allegiances may have shifted - the assumption was that parliament would serve as a check for this kind of scenario.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#52 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 9:12:48 AM
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Bak's is so good at stirring up sh*t.

The biggest issue here is that he is messing around with the constitution.

Personally, I think the burden is on Bak's to prove to meet the constitutional demand for 'Consultation', if RAO says they have not consulted then Bak's needs to demonstrate that they have.

Does consultation mean agreement? I don't know, may be that's why the constitution has a constitutional interpretation court. Thats where RAO/Kenyan's/any other interested persons should be headed before the names go to parliament.

My biggest disappointment in all this is that the nominees have not declined the appointments.
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kadonye
#53 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 9:24:28 AM
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This new constitution is full of grey areas

On this issue, you find respected lawyers taking different positions regardless of their affiliation.

It is these grey areas that Kibaki capitalises on.

Do we know when this parliament's term will end?
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#54 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 9:32:08 AM
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When Baks and RAO meet during the so called "consultation" do they always record the deliberations?If so then Baks should simply send the tapes to media houses to cool the sh@%$^t once for all!
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#55 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 10:28:43 AM
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Food for thought with our judicial system do you think even RAO took his case to court it would get a fair hearing?
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#56 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 10:52:11 AM
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WAZUA ADVISORY: Please don't ask lawyers to define that simple word 'CONSULTATION,' a young strappling lad will have grown into a guka with toothless grins before they can agree on a common definition.

I really detest this crap of principals, accords and consultation. Can't wait for 2012 to see it consigned to the dustbin of history, assuming that is, that AU currently in Addis does not make it the official power-sharing deal for africa's tinpot dictators who lose elections.

BTW, someone enlighten me, was RAO supposed to consult Baks (as a fellow principal representing Kenya) before taking up appointment of the AU's envoy on doomed Cote d'Ivoire mission? Should he or shouldn't he have, either legally or as gentleman, before taking up the mission?
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#57 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 11:31:10 AM
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Guys,

I hope we realise that only ONE person has EXECUTIVE authority in Kenya. i.e The President of the Republic of Kenya! Period. The next power level is held by the legislature. Form what I can see, Baks will have appointees 'APPROVED' by Parliament. If they do that, then they take full responsibility.

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Mo
#58 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 11:37:17 AM
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Very sad day for our country. The appointments should have been made after a competitive selection by the judicial service commision and consultation between the 2 principals. In Baks bid to pull the carpet from under the ICC feet and at the same time leave an egg on Rao's face, he makes the appointments after sending an SMS to Agwambo. Am not a Rao fanatic but I deeply feel that Baks actions were not only contemptious but also unconstitutional!
Am hoping that Ghai and Davinder suceed in court to block Baks appointees failure to whick Rao may use Marende to frustrate the debate on the 3 in the house.
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#59 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 11:48:46 AM
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Is Visram clear to take up the position as CJ. He is a sitting judge and has not been vetted yet, ama mimi niko lalaland.

How is it supposed to work, ama the cj post is excempted from the veting of the judiciary that is supposed to be carried out.
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Robinhood
#60 Posted : Monday, January 31, 2011 11:55:57 AM
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@Ngalaka, thanks for pointing out what the opponents of the new constitution tried to bring to light way bank in July/ August last year but were drowned in emotive arguments. We have a constitution prepared to please everyone and it's implementation will just get trickier as we go along. To massage RO's ego, we pretended to give him a role in the implementation of the constitution while in actual sense he has no role other than as an MP. He can be consulted but this does not guarantee that he will take the final decision. He thinks 'consulted' means he is to be co-president. Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Right honourable.

That said, the nominations are a sad day for Kenya. The implementation of the constitution will now be hostage to political machinations. With RO almost certainly neutered by the exit of the RV crowd from ODM, I doubt love for Kenya will prevail in the implementation phase.
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