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Smell of justice at last.
Only feeling there are still some personalities who played a key role but have not been mentioned.
Justice will however out run them like a bush fire
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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I think we all agree that the people named by Ocampo somehow deserve to be on that list but i still can't shake off this weird feeling as if we are being played here. I believe Masukuma is not referring to the thieves, Looters, rapists etc but rather the other politicians/businessmen who we know played a big role in PEV
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/13/2006 Posts: 2,589
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mkonomtupu wrote:ALL SUSPECTS are on probation.
To save RUTO, text 1 to : 2012
To save UHURU, text 2 to: 2012
To save MUTHAURA, text 3 to: 2002
To save JOSHUA, text 4 to: 2012
...To save HENRY, text 5 to: 2012
To save ALI, text 6 to: 999
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 What a comic tragedy! BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US AND WANTS US TO BE HAPPY!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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Elder wrote:kadonye wrote:The police may have killed some few innocent people but majority of those killed were thugs,arsonists,rapists and murderers
Try robbing a shop today we see who will speak on your behalf... You are so casual in the way you address the death of people.Innocent or otherwise. And for your information, even 'thugs, arsonist, rapists and murderers' as you so call them deserve justice. Ever heard about innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of due process? Get it into your head that it is never for the police or some random internet poster to decide on who is a thug, arsonist etc and what their sentence should be. Which to you is death. ABK!  5 police officers stopping 200 thugs from raping and killing.First warning...Second warning... I wonder how differently I would react if I was in these policemen's shoes... Let's not forget that policemen were cornered and killed and most had to do it IN SELF DEFENCE The mobs were intoxicated with the anarchy spirit then.Stopping them was an uphill task What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Is calling for mass action a crime against humanity?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/13/2006 Posts: 2,589
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TAZ wrote:I think we all agree that the people named by Ocampo somehow deserve to be on that list but i still can't shake off this weird feeling as if we are being played here. I believe Masukuma is not referring to the thieves, Looters, rapists etc but rather the other politicians/businessmen who we know played a big role in PEV Just read the waki list man....someone has already posted the link up there...the whole list is there, plus what they did, their nick names, blah blah...we ALL know most of them. BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US AND WANTS US TO BE HAPPY!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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@ rasilio, post 87 for you kadonye wrote:bwenyenye wrote:This is a new Kenya. Noe see how the political class will be silenced... Structurally. I am surprised by some names, ( lack of and inclusion) but hey, it is a good place to start.
Sasa when was PLO releasing his list? I concur What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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@Nostop.. I think the real question is ' what is mass action understood to mean in Kenya? I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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bwenyenye wrote:@Nostop..
I think the real question is ' what is mass action understood to mean in Kenya? So what you are saying if justice is to be served, we have Kenyan standards?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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Moreno-Ocampo says:Ruto, Kosgey, Sang began planning a year before the election to attack supporters of the governing party. After Mr. Kibaki was declared the winner, network they cultivated burned homes, killed civilians who had supported Mr. Kibaki and systematically drove people off their land. Ali's police were sent to opposition strongholds “where they used excessive force against civilian protesters” Kenyatta and Muthaura deputized one of Kenya’s most brutal street gangs, the Mungiki, to “organize retaliatory attacks against civilian” opposition supporters. http://www.nytimes.com/2...anted=2&_r=1&hp
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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kadonye wrote:Elder wrote:kadonye wrote:The police may have killed some few innocent people but majority of those killed were thugs,arsonists,rapists and murderers
Try robbing a shop today we see who will speak on your behalf... You are so casual in the way you address the death of people.Innocent or otherwise. And for your information, even 'thugs, arsonist, rapists and murderers' as you so call them deserve justice. Ever heard about innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of due process? Get it into your head that it is never for the police or some random internet poster to decide on who is a thug, arsonist etc and what their sentence should be. Which to you is death. ABK! 5 police officers stopping 200 thugs from raping and killing.First warning...Second warning... I wonder how differently I would react if I was in these policemen's shoes... Let's not forget that policemen were cornered and killed and most had to do it IN SELF DEFENCE The mobs were intoxicated with the anarchy spirit then.Stopping them was an uphill task Ok, we have an apologist for extra judicial killings....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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kadonye wrote:Elder wrote:kadonye wrote:The police may have killed some few innocent people but majority of those killed were thugs,arsonists,rapists and murderers
Try robbing a shop today we see who will speak on your behalf... You are so casual in the way you address the death of people.Innocent or otherwise. And for your information, even 'thugs, arsonist, rapists and murderers' as you so call them deserve justice. Ever heard about innocent until proven guilty? Ever heard of due process? Get it into your head that it is never for the police or some random internet poster to decide on who is a thug, arsonist etc and what their sentence should be. Which to you is death. ABK! 5 police officers stopping 200 thugs from raping and killing.First warning...Second warning... I wonder how differently I would react if I was in these policemen's shoes... Let's not forget that policemen were cornered and killed and most had to do it IN SELF DEFENCE The mobs were intoxicated with the anarchy spirit then.Stopping them was an uphill task If that is how it panned out I would totally agree with you. However that was never the case. And I hope you are not saying that the scenarios you claim above is what led to the police killing Kenyans during the PEV. Coz if you are coming here to say that the police only killed in self defence or because they had no option then but to shoot to kill then in my eyes you are beyond help. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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Kibaki reacts to Ocampo list of Kenyans:I wish to state that the people who have been mentioned have not yet been fully investigated as the pre-trial process in The Hague has only but began. They therefore cannot be judged as guilty until the charges are confirmed by the court. Calls for action to be taken against them are therefore prejudicial, preemptive and against the rules of natural justice. http://www.capitalfm.co....t-of-Kenyans-10877.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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YesuWangu wrote:
Ok, we have an apologist for extra judicial killings....
@YW, don't join that bandwagon bro! Try to understand this, the police were overwhelmed!Should they have watched helplessly like ordinary wananchi? I'm not talking about demonstrators.I'm talking about the criminals What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/27/2007 Posts: 3,604
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nostoppingthis wrote:bwenyenye wrote:@Nostop..
I think the real question is ' what is mass action understood to mean in Kenya? So what you are saying if justice is to be served, we have Kenyan standards? looting and harrasing the opposite camp. African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/12/2009 Posts: 925
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......excessive force should have used by the police to stop the senseless killings ,rapes and violence.
...thats why they are employed !!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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nostoppingthis wrote:callaspade wrote:...we are looking at naivasha and rift valley.
....what about kondole and likoni?
..to me masukumas point is valid If you notice, MO has targeted guys he suspects of crimes against humanity....not looting etc. I'm still trying to understand @maskuma'z point? Were there financing, organizing of crimes against humanity in these locations? I think in those areas, the violence was sporadic not necessarily pre-meditated... Those listed are those who pre-meditated and assisted in the execution of the violence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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callaspade wrote:......excessive force should have used by the police to stop the senseless killings ,rapes and violence.
...thats why they are employed !!!!
You sure you know what excessive means? If so then according to you policemen are employed to use excessive force? He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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actually the reason we had a lull in killings after the first spate was because POLICE ACTED after reshuffling...we would have been counting 10s of thousands lost. how do u handle people who have barricaded roads and are armed with Machetes? or do you just read them their rights? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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