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Ksh at its weakest since it floated in 1994
hisah
#571 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:45:12 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
That $600M is expected this moon.


Any idea which foriegn banks are involved in this?

Goldman, JP Morgan, Deustche, Barclays PLC

Goldman squid & JP Morgue give me the creeps. I hope that loan deal fails. Better IMF if we have to choose the devils...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#572 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:47:52 PM
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One Mr Franklin expects bills yields to shoot to 35%... Indeed I cant wait for the budget.

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/wy1u2wz/-/index.html
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#573 Posted : Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:04:47 PM
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hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
That $600M is expected this moon.


Any idea which foriegn banks are involved in this?

Goldman, JP Morgan, Deustche, Barclays PLC

Goldman squid & JP Morgue give me the creeps. I hope that loan deal fails. Better IMF if we have to choose the devils...

Biacara ni biacara smile
Mainat
#574 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 11:39:23 AM
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Kizee1-I think we are conflating different issues. Firstly, has strong is the money supply->fx rate link? Imho, money supply is one of many factors, but not the primary driver which is infact BoP (which I'll deal with another day)
In terms of 2012 prospects for Ksh. My understanding is that the $600m is being repayed over quite a long-term horizon. I doubt if GoK will seek to convert it all to Ksh in one go. Instead, it'll probably be spread over the next 6/12 months and in essence help maintain $/Ksh. In effect, CBK will cut CBR and generally step back from its aggressive monetary policy, Ksh will weaken, but GOK will come in and swap $ for Ksh therefore maintain some of the strength.
In 2013, the new president will then take a hospital pass i.e. he/she will inherit a very messy set of GoK accounts...
No need to SHOUT btw.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
hisah
#575 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 1:39:12 PM
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Mainat wrote:
In 2013, the new president will then take a hospital pass i.e. he/she will inherit a very messy set of GoK accounts...
No need to SHOUT btw.

Yep. Until KE comes up with a proper fiscal policy. How difficult is this? Just see the current financial bill amendment tug of war... This is cryptic again Sad
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#576 Posted : Friday, January 06, 2012 2:10:15 PM
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Something about the field of economics in general.

http://www.bloomberg.com...gree-business-class.html
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#577 Posted : Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:56:35 PM
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USDKES chart - courtesy KK (Investors Lounge).

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Scubidu
#578 Posted : Saturday, January 07, 2012 6:50:20 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Kizee1-I think we are conflating different issues. Firstly, has strong is the money supply->fx rate link? Imho, money supply is one of many factors, but not the primary driver which is infact BoP (which I'll deal with another day)
In terms of 2012 prospects for Ksh. My understanding is that the $600m is being repayed over quite a long-term horizon. I doubt if GoK will seek to convert it all to Ksh in one go. Instead, it'll probably be spread over the next 6/12 months and in essence help maintain $/Ksh. In effect, CBK will cut CBR and generally step back from its aggressive monetary policy, Ksh will weaken, but GOK will come in and swap $ for Ksh therefore maintain some of the strength.
In 2013, the new president will then take a hospital pass i.e. he/she will inherit a very messy set of GoK accounts...
No need to SHOUT btw.


interesting. the fx/money supply link has been pretty strong recently largely because foreign currency deposits have been growing the money supply. let's conservatively say about 45% of the 21% y-o-y growth in M3 has been driven by fx related issues. There's a section on the CBK website called publications, under that there's a menu called 'times series data', from where you can download the 'deposit corporation survey' under monetary and financial statistics menu. it's a simple spreadsheet that can show you the breakdown of money supply since the 90s. All you need to look at is the ratio of foreign currency deposits to money supply over the last 4 months.

my understanding is the $600m is a 2 year foreign loan and is supposed to fund this financial years expenditure... so i can understand where kizee might be coming from concerning quick conversion (they really can't sit on it). Although i don't have confidence in the policy loosening too quickly, but uve got an interesting point that it's necessary for them to swap the $. The government accounts are indeed messy... let's hope the best for the next president.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Mainat
#579 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2012 2:23:01 PM
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Scubidu- lets think about that. Yes FCD (foreign currency deposits) have increased (remittances?), but if they were the driver of the $/Ksh, don't you think Ksh would much stronger than last yr or even beginning of the yr?
Sehemu ndio nyumba
drake
#580 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:24:42 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
hisah wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
That $600M is expected this moon.


Any idea which foriegn banks are involved in this?

Goldman, JP Morgan, Deustche, Barclays PLC

Goldman squid & JP Morgue give me the creeps. I hope that loan deal fails. Better IMF if we have to choose the devils...

Biacara ni biacara smile


Let me murk these rumors....

1. Loan has NOT yet been finalized, but probably (unless Treasury play hardball) will be by COB today

2. Goldman, Jp Morgan, Barclays, Deutsche?.... Not even close bro... but once the info gets out, there is one player that may surprise...

3. Pricing: Not that bad for a country with a 'B' and BB-(T&C) rating..


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