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How to tell NSE has bottomed out
My 2 cents
#5611 Posted : Saturday, November 04, 2023 12:46:38 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Xymalos wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Question is what do you do with this knowledge. Does one buy more at current lows or bail out? The stock exchange is the only market where buyers flee from low prices.


Under normal circumstances, low prices of great companies (e.g., Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta etc.) would be great opportunity to buy. For NSE, you have to determine which are the great companies that are low priced to buy. Sample these price changes:
KCB in Jan 2015 was 58; now 16.35
NCBA in Jan 2015 was 64; now 37.15
StanChart in Jan 2015 was 339; now 155.75
Britam in Jan 2015 was 29; now 4.97
Centum in Jan 2015 was 65; now 8.35
I&M in Jan 2015 was 125; now 17.35
EQTY in Jan 2015 was 51; now 37
Absa in Jan 2015 was 16.25; now 11.45
EABL in Jan 2015 was 304; now 126
SCOM in Jan 2015 was 14; now 11.65



Presumably investors bought shares not only at 2015 market tops but rather across a range of dates. For instance, I have safaricom shares I bought at 5, 2.5, 27,33, etc.

NSE will come back, we just dont know when. Even the NYSE and the stocks you quote were cut in half at some point. Microsoft was cut by more than 70% during the dot com crash and only recovered after 16 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's say we have to wait for 16 years. That at 14% on IFBs would mean the bondholder is far, far better off.

Let's take the 16 years from 1 Jan 2015 then we will have done 9 years (31 Dec 2023) and have 7 more to go. The 6.5 year IFB is expected to yield a minimum of 16% which is about a 200% gain in interest income.


Take it all the way back to 2009, NSE never fully recovered from GFC. We have done 14 years already. Maybe we do another 5 bear years. If most stocks double in 5 years that is 14% per year; and then add on another 10% dividends. 24% sure beats IFB. The caveat is that stocks have to double in 5 years.
wukan
#5612 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2023 4:08:22 PM
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NSE 20 index at 1428...how long before we see trading halts?

obiero
#5613 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2023 4:24:29 PM
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wukan wrote:
NSE 20 index at 1428...how long before we see trading halts?


Hi Wukan. Halted by who, and why

KQ ABP 4.26
My 2 cents
#5614 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2023 5:54:18 PM
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If there was ever a time to lose the faith, it is now.
wukan
#5615 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2023 6:59:52 PM
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obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
NSE 20 index at 1428...how long before we see trading halts?


Hi Wukan. Halted by who, and why


Plunge protection team aka PPT used to be active before the uhuruto era/error. The good old days
obiero
#5616 Posted : Tuesday, November 07, 2023 7:43:03 PM
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wukan wrote:
obiero wrote:
wukan wrote:
NSE 20 index at 1428...how long before we see trading halts?


Hi Wukan. Halted by who, and why


Plunge protection team aka PPT used to be active before the uhuruto era/error. The good old days

Probably only on small caps. The large caps have a mind of their own

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wukan
#5617 Posted : Wednesday, November 08, 2023 6:06:28 PM
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If there was ever a time to lose the faith, it is now.


Have faith looks like we are at the climax of the bulls-v-bears fight. Turnover dropped to 27 million which is like a couple of kilimani apartments.

Let's see how low sellers are willing to go before they give up
My 2 cents
#5618 Posted : Wednesday, November 08, 2023 6:28:38 PM
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wukan wrote:
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If there was ever a time to lose the faith, it is now.


Have faith looks like we are at the climax of the bulls-v-bears fight. Turnover dropped to 27 million which is like a couple of kilimani apartments.

Let's see how low sellers are willing to go before they give up

I was not referring to myself. I will never sell. I would lose too much.
obiero
#5619 Posted : Wednesday, November 08, 2023 7:43:57 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
wukan wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
If there was ever a time to lose the faith, it is now.


Have faith looks like we are at the climax of the bulls-v-bears fight. Turnover dropped to 27 million which is like a couple of kilimani apartments.

Let's see how low sellers are willing to go before they give up

I was not referring to myself. I will never sell. I would lose too much.

It is time to buy

KQ ABP 4.26
wukan
#5620 Posted : Thursday, November 16, 2023 1:48:18 PM
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wukan wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
If there was ever a time to lose the faith, it is now.


Have faith looks like we are at the climax of the bulls-v-bears fight. Turnover dropped to 27 million which is like a couple of kilimani apartments.

Let's see how low sellers are willing to go before they give up


Last week was fun Applause Too bad the sellers got exhausted on some counters
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