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amorphous wrote:Jon Jones wrote:How are Kitengela and Ngong during the elections?? I have read the entire thread and I am convinced that Mugundaman, despite his annoying demeanor, has a valid point. Kajiado is the best value for money as far as real estate is concerned. Same distance from CBD with Kiambu, but the prices are significantly lower. In fact, my online research shows that houses and land trade at less than half the price of similar houses in Kiambu county. In other words, there is potentially more upside/value for money in Kajiado than Kiambu. I am particularly interested in Ngong and Kitengela. Are these zones friendly investment destinations for people from the mountainside?? Do we have a critical mass of Atiriri's in these towns?? How were those areas in 2007/8. I seek value wherever I can find it but that being said I am still cognizant of the fact that Kenyans are still politically charged and polarized during electioneering periods. In fact, I think that is part of the reason why property and land prices in Kiambu sell at a premium. Someone please shed more light on this. Kitengela and Ngong are PEACE CITIES with the FACE OF KENYA humo humo bratha. Kitengela especially! I have never encountered a more cosmopolitan satellite city in Kenya outside Nairobi and Mombasa in my life! During the worst of PEV and elections of 2017 Kite and Ngong were calm shwaaaaaaa to the end. And as you have brilliantly pointed out - the economics of it are unimpeachable. P.S. the true sign of practical wisdom is the ability to bend to irrefutable logic and being pragmatic despite not liking the message or the messenger  . DT arap Moi was a master of this. He always knew how to bend with the wind bila emotions even if he hated what the implications were. When he repealed 2A in one minute even the opposition were shell shocked, yet he ruled for another decade. He always put his ego aside and did what was necessary to achieve the best outcome (for himself of course). Karibu DC, bratha. You will never regret your investment! More and and more are waking up to the reality of #DC Rising
My two cents. Real estate properties in Ngong proper (Ngong, Ololua, Zambia Matasia, Kahara, Nkoroi, Rimpa) are not and have never been that affordable, may be bcuz it is predominantly Atiriri's place. when Wamashati is campaigning in this region, he switches to shortwave. You might need to check who is the area MP as well. Kite is more cosmopolitan than Ngong, there used to be small time election violence in Kite during Moi's error (RIP Daniel Ole Muyaa and Parkinyaro). Luckily Saitoti never entertained it. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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tinker wrote:amorphous wrote:Jon Jones wrote:How are Kitengela and Ngong during the elections?? I have read the entire thread and I am convinced that Mugundaman, despite his annoying demeanor, has a valid point. Kajiado is the best value for money as far as real estate is concerned. Same distance from CBD with Kiambu, but the prices are significantly lower. In fact, my online research shows that houses and land trade at less than half the price of similar houses in Kiambu county. In other words, there is potentially more upside/value for money in Kajiado than Kiambu. I am particularly interested in Ngong and Kitengela. Are these zones friendly investment destinations for people from the mountainside?? Do we have a critical mass of Atiriri's in these towns?? How were those areas in 2007/8. I seek value wherever I can find it but that being said I am still cognizant of the fact that Kenyans are still politically charged and polarized during electioneering periods. In fact, I think that is part of the reason why property and land prices in Kiambu sell at a premium. Someone please shed more light on this. Kitengela and Ngong are PEACE CITIES with the FACE OF KENYA humo humo bratha. Kitengela especially! I have never encountered a more cosmopolitan satellite city in Kenya outside Nairobi and Mombasa in my life! During the worst of PEV and elections of 2017 Kite and Ngong were calm shwaaaaaaa to the end. And as you have brilliantly pointed out - the economics of it are unimpeachable. P.S. the true sign of practical wisdom is the ability to bend to irrefutable logic and being pragmatic despite not liking the message or the messenger  . DT arap Moi was a master of this. He always knew how to bend with the wind bila emotions even if he hated what the implications were. When he repealed 2A in one minute even the opposition were shell shocked, yet he ruled for another decade. He always put his ego aside and did what was necessary to achieve the best outcome (for himself of course). Karibu DC, bratha. You will never regret your investment! More and and more are waking up to the reality of #DC Rising
My two cents. Real estate properties in Ngong proper (Ngong, Ololua, Zambia Matasia, Kahara, Nkoroi, Rimpa) are not and have never been that affordable, may be bcuz it is predominantly Atiriri's place. when Wamashati is campaigning in this region, he switches to shortwave. You might need to check who is the area MP as well. Kite is more cosmopolitan than Ngong, there used to be small time election violence in Kite during Moi's error (RIP Daniel Ole Muyaa and Parkinyaro). Luckily Saitoti never entertained it. tinker, 1. Compared to Kiambu as Jon Jones has pointed out, Ngong is DIRT CHEAP 2. Lets not get tribal but the demographics for Ngong do not match up to your assertion. If you look at the KNBS census statistics of 2019, Ngong represents the face of Kenya more or less. Especially leafy suburbs like Kibiko (the new Runda of Ngong) which have seen a massive influx of the middle class from Nairobi core the past decade alone. 3. Moi error ended 18 years ago. Funny that you are reviving it, alongside Moi and Saitoti who are all past tense. Current day Ngong and Jewel in the crown were ZERO affected by election cycles manenos in 2007, 2012 and 2017. This peace in turmoil is actually a huge factor in the flooding of the middle classes into DC ove the past 15 years. 4. As for the area MP, that means nothing. Did you forget that Keen was an MP hapo? Ole Sakuda too? Hard as you may find it to believe, many different people in Kajiado North from all over Kenya voted for the current MP not just because of his ethnic origins. Most voted party (remember Ole Lenku is Jubilee damu), others voted along "agreed upon" allocations of different seats from MP to governor, others voted policies/maendeleo etc. And let us not forget pia there were complaints of computer tampering  . Bottom line, Ngong is as cosmopolitan as it gets in my humble view. 5. I wholeheardtedly agree with you on Kitengela being even more cosmopolitan. in fact it is shockingly so. As an example, my main construction material supplier is Somali, my barber is Congolese, my carpenter is from the lake, my electrician is from Machakos, my biodigester guy is a homeboy from Ruiru, my foreman is from Western, my fresh raw milk supplier is of course Maasai, my excavator heavy machinery guy is from Keroka sides, and my neighbours represent the FACE of Kiinya. Haguna mahali gama Jewel in the Crown, mblo and that's just cold hard facts In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/1/2019 Posts: 170 Location: Nairobi
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Jon Jones wrote:How are Kitengela and Ngong during the elections?? I have read the entire thread and I am convinced that Mugundaman, despite his annoying demeanor, has a valid point. Kajiado is the best value for money as far as real estate is concerned. Same distance from CBD with Kiambu, but the prices are significantly lower. In fact, my online research shows that houses and land trade at less than half the price of similar houses in Kiambu county. In other words, there is potentially more upside/value for money in Kajiado than Kiambu. I am particularly interested in Ngong and Kitengela. Are these zones friendly investment destinations for people from the mountainside?? Do we have a critical mass of Atiriri's in these towns?? How were those areas in 2007/8. I seek value wherever I can find it but that being said I am still cognizant of the fact that Kenyans are still politically charged and polarized during electioneering periods. In fact, I think that is part of the reason why property and land prices in Kiambu sell at a premium. Someone please shed more light on this. Kiambu town is 15 KM from CBD i.e roughly the same distance from CBD to JKIA, not DC, DC averages 40 KM from CBD.. Now if you consider the distance from Kiambu to other leafy areas (village market, westlands, two rivers, e.t.c), you start to see why land is much more expensive there, price is absolutely not a selling point for DC
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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NewMoney wrote:Jon Jones wrote:How are Kitengela and Ngong during the elections?? I have read the entire thread and I am convinced that Mugundaman, despite his annoying demeanor, has a valid point. Kajiado is the best value for money as far as real estate is concerned. Same distance from CBD with Kiambu, but the prices are significantly lower. In fact, my online research shows that houses and land trade at less than half the price of similar houses in Kiambu county. In other words, there is potentially more upside/value for money in Kajiado than Kiambu. I am particularly interested in Ngong and Kitengela. Are these zones friendly investment destinations for people from the mountainside?? Do we have a critical mass of Atiriri's in these towns?? How were those areas in 2007/8. I seek value wherever I can find it but that being said I am still cognizant of the fact that Kenyans are still politically charged and polarized during electioneering periods. In fact, I think that is part of the reason why property and land prices in Kiambu sell at a premium. Someone please shed more light on this. Kiambu town is 15 KM from CBD i.e roughly the same distance from CBD to JKIA, not DC, DC averages 40 KM from CBD.. Now if you consider the distance from Kiambu to other leafy areas (village market, westlands, two rivers, e.t.c), you start to see why land is much more expensive there, price is absolutely not a selling point for DC Your argument started out well, but ended in a non sequitur Kiambu town is not Kiambu County. We could easily say that Rongai is a mere 19.2 KM from CBD and close to Karen Waterfront, Galleria Mall and the Hub  What is the distance from Kijabe, Kiambu County to CBD? Your ending was the best part: NewMoney wrote:price is absolutely not a selling point for DC On what planet  ? If Jon Jones can buy 1 acre in Ngong for 16m and put up 5 times the apartments he could put up for the equivalent value of land in Kiambu County (almost certainly way less land) OF COURSE DC prices will be a selling point to him unless you are communist who believes the economizing problem that people spend many years of their lives studying in business school is pure rubbish. In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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As I said in ten years time DC will be called Greenbowl or Rainbowl  . All these trees being planted are changing the microclimate big time in its leafy burbs. The rain this year was recordbeating. Jewel in the Crown is still very green this time of year..a far cry from years past when we had become accustomed to dried out grass-scapes. In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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#RongaiRising  Gathige, tinker et al..you must be enjoying sana. 6 Things to Know About Ongata RongaiYou cannot be Kenyan if you have never heard of Ongata Rongai town, popularly known as just Rongai or Ronga. It is a favourite subject by savvy social media users always creating ridiculous memes about it, mostly about its distance from Nairobi town. HistoryOngata Rongai is a peri-urban settlement at the outskirts of Nairobi located in Kajiado County and is situated 17 km (10.6 mi) south of Nairobi town. Although largely located within Nairobi metropolitan, it does not fall within the administrative boundaries of the city and is separated from Nairobi city proper by the Mbagathi River. It is divided into two administrative locations, Nkaimurunya and Rongai, which are separated by the Magadi road. Historically occupied by the Maasai people, present-day Ongata Rongai grew from a meeting of a cattle market in the northernmost tip of Kajiado County and the quarry township in present-day Kware. The cattle market and the quarry spread rapidly and joined in the late 1950s. CommunityThe Maasai people occupy majorly the rural parts of Rongai where they still practice their major economic activity, livestock rearing. However, the town has a diverse population due to its proximity to Nairobi. EconomyOngata Rongai is mostly dominated by middle-income earners and is known for its succulent and finger-licking nyama choma fresh from the farms. It serves as a primary entry point where most fresh produce is transported directly to the towns from the farms. It has two major markets for fresh produce: one near Maasai Mall and another one near Kware. A large number of butcheries across Ongata Rongai also bear testimony to the popularity of beef in the town and to outsiders. Amenities
Just like any other modern town, Rongai houses various top banks, schools, and hospitals. Banks include Barclay’s, Equity Bank, Kenya Commercial Bank, HCF, Bank of Africa, Co-operative Bank, Sidian Bank, among many others. Healthcare providers like Equity Afia Medical Center, The Karen Hospital, Aga Khan Hospital, Meridian Hospital, Nairobi Women’s Hospital, Fatima Mission Nursing, Sinai Hospital and also Gertrude Children’s Hospital can also be found in Rongai. It also boasts of various top learning institutions like Laiser Hill Academy, Magadi Road Primary, Maxwell Adventist Academy, Fanaka Junior School, Olerai School, Kunoni Educational Center, Azuri School, Thorn Tree School, Ongata Primary School and more. Other schools include African Nazarene University, Adventist University of Africa, Multimedia University of Kenya and Adventist University. Rongai does not disappoint when it comes to the social scene. There are various restaurants and clubs that offer residents and visitors the perfect entertainment spot. These are The Smith Hotel, Beatus Chicken and Coffee House, GiMor Restaurant, Siron Place Restaurant, Club Legend, Hornbill Bar & Restaurant, Choma Place Inn Bar And Restaurant, Pizza Inn, Chicken Inn and many more. Modern shopping centres are also evolving in Ongata Rongai such as; Maasai Mall(which has top retail stores, ATMs, restaurants that offer cuisines such as Italian, Chinese and Ethiopian), Bees Park, Geomerc Centre, Times Arcade, Great Wide Mall, etc. Rongai also has major shops i.e. Uchumi, Tuskys, Naivas and Tumaini Supermarkets. Nganya CultureIf you are not aware of Rongai’s intricately designed matatus, you must be living under a rock. They are undeniably Nairobi’s finest public service vehicles. They have eye-catching and jaw-dropping graffiti on the outer body while the inside is fitted with free wi-fi, numerous speakers and LCD screens for loud music surrounding. Must-See PlacesFor extroverts and adventure junkies, Ngong Hills is a must-visit. Enjoy the great green outdoors by taking part in hikes, mountain climbing, camping or just simple nature walks. Another must-see gem is the Kitengela glass, an artifacts manufacturer tucked away in the far-flung Tuala township area. Enjoy breath-taking pieces of art inform of glass art, sculptures, home décor, and jewelry. The Nairobi National Park is also nearby for those looking to marvel at various wildlife. For those looking to learn more about entrepreneurship of the food industry, Tam feeds, an agro-processing industry located in Gataka is also a must-visit.[/img] source: https://www.pointpropert...72cQnqtiZworEgIrwxR1SOs
Masai Mall Beautiful MaisonetteIn the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/15/2010 Posts: 455 Location: Nairobi
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I have a dream, that one day, Magadi-road will be dualled. I have a dream, that one day, Ronga will have piped water and sewerage system. I have a dream, that one day, the residents of Ronga will not be called 'Diaspora' in their own Metropolis. I have a dream, that one day, Ronga and its environs will not be a dust-bowl but paved roads and streets will ring. .... dreams are valid !. ....He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion..
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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tinker wrote:I have a dream, that one day, Magadi-road will be dualled. I have a dream, that one day, Ronga will have piped water and sewerage system. I have a dream, that one day, the residents of Ronga will not be called 'Diaspora' in their own Metropolis. I have a dream, that one day, Ronga and its environs will not be a dust-bowl but paved roads and streets will ring.
.... dreams are valid !.
It is only a matter of time before it happens, brother. Once kina Western Bypass, Waiyaki way etc are done. KenHa and KURA *growing* budgets will need to find new spaces. Was on Ngong road juzi after 3 months of being away. Was SHOCKED at how beautiful and transformative the roadworks have been. Kona used to be very dingy and that traffic there during the evenings both ways was a mess. I passed by it nyweeeee from Junction to Hub roundabout in less than 5-10 minutes with lots of cars on the road. On the way back it was even faster at about 4pm which used to be rush hour hapo. Unbelievable. Cannot wait for it to be complete God willing all the way to Ngong town. IN Kitengela Old Namanga Road to Acacia needs to be tarmacked. I'm already jipangaring there. It is just a matter of time and that corridor will be a boom zone. In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/15/2019 Posts: 687 Location: planet earth
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 Game changer.Excuse "Commutes/traffic to Jewel in the Crown, DC are too long." KWISHA once this expressway is done. In the final analysis, it all boils down to sheer plain old hard work and dogged persistence. Nothing more, nothing less!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/1/2019 Posts: 170 Location: Nairobi
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This is how the whole of DC will look like in the future, you can go to areas that were considered DC 20 years ago for reference e.g mwiki, ngong https://www.nation.co.ke...th-open-air-dump-986020#
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