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mnandii
#5411 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 11:19:41 AM
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mnandii wrote:


DJIA. An alternate wave count. The DJIA could stage another rally in this alternative labelling for wave [2]. Targets are 25,226; 26,143 or around 27,000. I remain bearish.


This is the post that called the rally way before people started rationalizing that a vaccine or the FED would make the market to rally. It is quite interesting that no other person(except Elliotticians) called the rally prior to the market rallying. As always most people who claim to forecast the market wait for the market to make a move then in the middle of the move they then claim omnipotence, they claim insight! What !@#$?
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mnandii
#5412 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 11:23:05 AM
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The rally was forecast on May 14 when the DOW was still at 23,000.

link to post
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mnandii
#5413 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 11:25:30 AM
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mnandii wrote:
The rally was forecast on May 14 when the DOW was still at 23,000.

link to post


Remember also that using Elliott Waves we forecast the low in March and called the rally then. That was also another time when everybody else who does not practice Elliott Waves was fully bearish. That post exists in this thread.
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mnandii
#5414 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 11:30:11 AM
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Just to make a point once again. The so quoted hope-filled rally is complete at 27,000. The next major move is DOWN. It will be sharp. It will be painful. It will catch you off-guard. Yet Elliott is shouting a warning right now!
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wukan
#5415 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 12:24:12 PM
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mnandii wrote:


Just to make a point once again. The so quoted hope-filled rally is complete at 27,000. The next major move is DOWN. It will be sharp. It will be painful. It will catch you off-guard. Yet Elliott is shouting a warning right now!


Trump is doing quite badly on the poll numbers. It seems his handling of covid and the Floyd protests didn't go well with voters. Social mood has changed in America. S***hole countries have seen America was swimming naked. Some things can't be unseen
Angelica _ann
#5416 Posted : Tuesday, June 09, 2020 12:38:19 PM
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mnandii wrote:


Just to make a point once again. The so quoted hope-filled rally is complete at 27,000. The next major move is DOWN. It will be sharp. It will be painful. It will catch you off-guard. Yet Elliott is shouting a warning right now!


Trump is saying it can only continue with the upward journey!!!!
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slick
#5417 Posted : Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:57:33 AM
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mnandii wrote:
slick wrote:
slick wrote:
slick wrote:
mnandii wrote:


A major turn DOWN in DOW JONES (DJIA) likely very soon once the index rises to about 26,000 level.


Crazy stuff.S&P 500 punched back above 3000 yesterday as optimism over lockdown relaxations,possible Covid-19 vaccine and by far the biggest factor the Fed money printing pump job working its magic.NASDAQ almost at its all time highs and talk of S&P 500 and the Dow recapturing all time highs is rampant.Its fairtly obvious that the NASDAQ will hit all time highs soon.






Well as I expected the NASDAQ has hit new all time highs today.Chances are high that the other broader indices ie S&P 500 and Dow Jones may join the party.Stocks rallied over the euphoria of US creating record 2.5 million jobs in May up from the disaster record 20.5 million jobs lost.Well as the lockdowns were getting eased it was obvious that some would return to work and thus the record job numbers.



As the Nairobi bourse is languishing at its March lows,US stocks rallying to all time highs.Expect the pump job to continue for the short term though market is grossly overextended and a correction maybe imminent.Long term the market may drop precipitously as possible Covid-19 second wave plus mass bankruptcies sweep the United States.

I have kept saying this market will be going higher for the last few weeks due to the Fed pump and its been easy money going long especially the tech stocks.Riding this fake Fed pump bubble in the last few weeks has been AWESOME Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly



S&P 500 has its biggest 50 day rally in history appreciating by 37.7%.Never underestimate and fight the Fed money printing pump job.In the very long term the Fed will lose but right now the Fed owns the market and if you cant beat the Fed,join it and ride the fake bubble pump





The rally, as expected of a second wave rally, is based on hope and will soon be fully retraced.

Remember I forecasted the rally? See my previous posts where I called for DOW to rise to 26,000. The FED is not in control of the market.
The hopes that are fuelling the market are vaporising quite fast.


@mnandii.Yes I agree with you that a major downturn in the market is inevitable.This massive meltup is grossly over-extended and extremely frothy.This rally is fake from Fed money printing but I take advantage of all that massive Fed money pump and go long even though I know its fake and a joke.Markets are mis-pricing the risk of a second covid-19 wave and the bankruptcy crisis thats about to hit especially small businesses that didnt benefit from the Fed money printing bailouts.I definitely cannot know when the 2 risks mentioned above will hit the market.One shouldnt forget that the market mispriced the covid-19 risk in late January and early February.Once the Wuhan lockdown was effected on January 23rd,the market still kept going up as Fed repo money printing kept the game going.US investors assumed that Covid-19 is largely a Chinese problem and US had just a handful of cases and the assumption is that it was an over-glorified flu was rampant.I was generally but cautiously long the market until when reality of Covid-19 finally hit the market on February 19th and the sharp downturn and fastest collapse of the S&P 500 in history manifested from late February to late March when I went massively short.

As I said I agree with the downturn that you are predicting maybe coming but the timing of it is impossible.Its very feasible that the Dow and S&P 500 may also hit all time highs now that the NASDAQ did and its also possible the market may crash again in the next few days.Nobody has the exact prognosis of the market and either of these scenarios could happen.Thus for me I review the market on a day to day basis and trade each day on its own.I can be long and short the same stock on the same day not caring about overall market direction and just scalp short term trends.Once that sharp downturn manifests I will be ready to short the market once more.

Well,I guess I will continue to respectfully disagree with you on the matter of Fed money printing manipulation.You have stuck to your guns that Fed doesnt control the market and markets arent manipulated and I know for a fact that markets are manipulated especially by central banks and I keep posting links and screenshots from major news outlets like CNBC,Bloomberg,Reuters,major Wall Street Banks like Bank of America,JP Morgan,BMO,billionaires like Ray Dalio etc stating that Fed money pump is creating fake manipulated markets and these major Wall Street players know their markets better than you or I.A few of those screenshots are as below










I guess we wont ever change each others opinion on this matter.I respect that fact that you think markets arent manipulated especially by central banks even though I think you are wrong on this.We are all entitled to our opinions.If your thesis plus your Elliot wave analysis is making money for you in the market then good for you.I am also making tons of money from a different analytical process.There is no best strategy to make profits and each to his own perspective
Contrarian Investor and Trader.Advocate of free markets,limited government interference in the economy and sound money
slick
#5418 Posted : Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:37:45 AM
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slick wrote:
mnandii wrote:
slick wrote:
slick wrote:
slick wrote:
mnandii wrote:


A major turn DOWN in DOW JONES (DJIA) likely very soon once the index rises to about 26,000 level.


Crazy stuff.S&P 500 punched back above 3000 yesterday as optimism over lockdown relaxations,possible Covid-19 vaccine and by far the biggest factor the Fed money printing pump job working its magic.NASDAQ almost at its all time highs and talk of S&P 500 and the Dow recapturing all time highs is rampant.Its fairtly obvious that the NASDAQ will hit all time highs soon.






Well as I expected the NASDAQ has hit new all time highs today.Chances are high that the other broader indices ie S&P 500 and Dow Jones may join the party.Stocks rallied over the euphoria of US creating record 2.5 million jobs in May up from the disaster record 20.5 million jobs lost.Well as the lockdowns were getting eased it was obvious that some would return to work and thus the record job numbers.



As the Nairobi bourse is languishing at its March lows,US stocks rallying to all time highs.Expect the pump job to continue for the short term though market is grossly overextended and a correction maybe imminent.Long term the market may drop precipitously as possible Covid-19 second wave plus mass bankruptcies sweep the United States.

I have kept saying this market will be going higher for the last few weeks due to the Fed pump and its been easy money going long especially the tech stocks.Riding this fake Fed pump bubble in the last few weeks has been AWESOME Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly



S&P 500 has its biggest 50 day rally in history appreciating by 37.7%.Never underestimate and fight the Fed money printing pump job.In the very long term the Fed will lose but right now the Fed owns the market and if you cant beat the Fed,join it and ride the fake bubble pump





The rally, as expected of a second wave rally, is based on hope and will soon be fully retraced.

Remember I forecasted the rally? See my previous posts where I called for DOW to rise to 26,000. The FED is not in control of the market.
The hopes that are fuelling the market are vaporising quite fast.


@mnandii.Yes I agree with you that a major downturn in the market is inevitable.This massive meltup is grossly over-extended and extremely frothy.This rally is fake from Fed money printing but I take advantage of all that massive Fed money pump and go long even though I know its fake and a joke.Markets are mis-pricing the risk of a second covid-19 wave and the bankruptcy crisis thats about to hit especially small businesses that didnt benefit from the Fed money printing bailouts.I definitely cannot know when the 2 risks mentioned above will hit the market.One shouldnt forget that the market mispriced the covid-19 risk in late January and early February.Once the Wuhan lockdown was effected on January 23rd,the market still kept going up as Fed repo money printing kept the game going.US investors assumed that Covid-19 is largely a Chinese problem and US had just a handful of cases and the assumption is that it was an over-glorified flu was rampant.I was generally but cautiously long the market until when reality of Covid-19 finally hit the market on February 19th and the sharp downturn and fastest collapse of the S&P 500 in history manifested from late February to late March when I went massively short.

As I said I agree with the downturn that you are predicting maybe coming but the timing of it is impossible.Its very feasible that the Dow and S&P 500 may also hit all time highs now that the NASDAQ did and its also possible the market may crash again in the next few days.Nobody has the exact prognosis of the market and either of these scenarios could happen.Thus for me I review the market on a day to day basis and trade each day on its own.I can be long and short the same stock on the same day not caring about overall market direction and just scalp short term trends.Once that sharp downturn manifests I will be ready to short the market once more.

Well,I guess I will continue to respectfully disagree with you on the matter of Fed money printing manipulation.You have stuck to your guns that Fed doesnt control the market and markets arent manipulated and I know for a fact that markets are manipulated especially by central banks and I keep posting links and screenshots from major news outlets like CNBC,Bloomberg,Reuters,major Wall Street Banks like Bank of America,JP Morgan,BMO,billionaires like Ray Dalio etc stating that Fed money pump is creating fake manipulated markets and these major Wall Street players know their markets better than you or I.A few of those screenshots are as below










I guess we wont ever change each others opinion on this matter.I respect that fact that you think markets arent manipulated especially by central banks even though I think you are wrong on this.We are all entitled to our opinions.If your thesis plus your Elliot wave analysis is making money for you in the market then good for you.I am also making tons of money from a different analytical process.There is no best strategy to make profits and each to his own perspective


Its also possible that the Dow may not hit 20,000 and below in the next reversal.The Fed is now highly alert to any market disruptions and has stated numerous times its ready to provide unlimited QE money printing to support markets and even when the bankruptcy and second covid-19 wave hits,markets may retrace but not to the disastrous speed and levels of March 2020 as now the Fed will act extremely fast and reflate the asset bubbles.Time and again I have underestimated the Fed money pump.I knew the Fed would pump trillions and push the market from its March lows but never did I think we would be hitting all highs.Just continues to show the Fed's massive firepower.For as long as the USD remains the reserve currency and is perceived to be stronger than other major currencies like Euro,Yen,Pound,Yuan where these other central banks are printing even more relative to GDP than the Fed,the US central bank can keep printing even more trillions with no immediate consequences to the USD.Well it remains to be seen how this will play out in the next few months.Dow may punch below 20,000 once again but also the Fed may save the market again and hit all time highs.I dont know which outcome will result and frankly dont care and will just trade the market conditions that I see on a day to day basis

Invevitably,money printing has diminishing returns.At some point in the future,the market will be aghast over the sheer scale of fiat currency being created and massive inflation,devaluation and large loss of purchasing power reality will sink in and there will me a mad rush out of these fiat currencies.Fed money printing will become meaningless.They can inflate the Dow to 50,000 but these nominal gains in the market will be viewed as worthless as there will be no real gains less massive inflation.This inflection point where fiat money printing to pump up assets is useless will inevitably be reached perhaps a few years from now.Nobody can predict when this inflection point will be attained but it obvious we shall get there and its at this point where central banks will have no control over markets.This is the final end game of the sovereign debt and fiat currency crisis and collapse.All fiat currencies from Ancient Greece to Weinmar Germany 1923 hyperinflation hit this disastrous outcome.All fiat currencies collapse and revert to their intrinsic value of zero and the current debt based fiat monetary system will be no different
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kenyan2019
#5419 Posted : Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:07:58 PM
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mnandii
#5420 Posted : Thursday, June 11, 2020 8:18:29 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
mnandii wrote:


Just to make a point once again. The so quoted hope-filled rally is complete at 27,000. The next major move is DOWN. It will be sharp. It will be painful. It will catch you off-guard. Yet Elliott is shouting a warning right now!


Trump is saying it can only continue with the upward journey!!!!


Trump is proved wrong. The venerable FED is proved wrong. Fundamentals as popularly practised is proved wrong.

Only Elliott Waves can anticipate these turns.smile



Expect further downside to the DJIA.

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