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Dahatre
#521 Posted : Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:31:27 PM
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Oh and for the "let them go we have clinical officers" crowd...They have side gigs too. I take my kids to one. He has a clinic at KNH and at Pangani...
thuks
#522 Posted : Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:44:11 PM
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The current flare up is about the order in which the agreements will be signed. Government requires time to study the 'bulky' CBA. What has it been doing all this time?
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murchr
#523 Posted : Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:33:44 PM
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I guess we hear different stuff.

My understanding -

1. The President pointed out that Govt already pays doctors more than they are paid by private hospitals so the "increase" they are asking for is pure blackmail.

2. Govt is already working to improve the hospital ammenities - Rome was not built in a day

3. He went on to thank the Clinical Officers and Nurses, who do most of the work anyway, and went on to note doctors only show up for rounds (2hrs) and disappear. (kweli au rongo)

4. Not that they cant work 5 jobs if they want to, but they should work for the hours they are being paid.

My opinion remains....fire all "permanent docs" those who still want to work can be hired on contract basis/consultations and on a time schedule.

the Star wrote:
The government has cancelled a Sh14.5 billion offer it earlier made doctors to end their strike that has lasted more than three months.

It had proposed the "good gesture" of backdating their risk allowances to July 2016, a package that would cost a total of Sh600 million.

The alternative was backdating the emergency allowance to October 2016, an expense that would have added up to Sh570 million.

Council of Governors chairman Peter Munya, who announced the cancellation, said the offer also included a 50 per cent increase in salaries.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Bigchick
#524 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 6:17:18 AM
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Dahatre wrote:
You can structure a public health system that has rules that govern conflicts of interest so that the doctors cannot have side gigs. But I think our gova knows that enforcing these rules would require that it tackle corruption effectively, which it is not capable of doing. So it's just easier to blame the doctors.

Meanwhile, almost half of our physician workforce (that we trained) is working in the west and many others are happy to move to Botswana, Rwanda, SA etc...


How much do they earn there?
Are they happier?What stops our current ones from going?

I know about 4 and my assessment is they are not exactly happy.They seem to be at crossroads.They want to be home but have to be out there working.They have lost touch with home and would love to reconnect.


Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
Anti_Burglar
#525 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 8:42:49 AM
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I am in agreement that a complete overhaul of the system is necessary. KMPDU as it exists and as part of the system should also be examined in the same spirit. Is it adding value to Kenyans?
Dahatre
#526 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:12:25 AM
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Bigchick wrote:
Dahatre wrote:
You can structure a public health system that has rules that govern conflicts of interest so that the doctors cannot have side gigs. But I think our gova knows that enforcing these rules would require that it tackle corruption effectively, which it is not capable of doing. So it's just easier to blame the doctors.

Meanwhile, almost half of our physician workforce (that we trained) is working in the west and many others are happy to move to Botswana, Rwanda, SA etc...


How much do they earn there?
Are they happier?What stops our current ones from going?

I know about 4 and my assessment is they are not exactly happy.They seem to be at crossroads.They want to be home but have to be out there working.They have lost touch with home and would love to reconnect.
I was speaking purely from the point of view of healthcare policy and human resources management.

To partially answer your questions, many who are here leave within 5 years of training.

I assume the ones who are away are paid the prevailing wages for their specialty in the countries where they work.

We love our people so I can understand your friends who are unhappy. I suppose they can always come back, no?
Dahatre
#527 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:16:03 AM
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Dahatre
#528 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:17:38 AM
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What is ailing the health sectors in Kenya? What can be done?

chikonde
#529 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 9:57:38 AM
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A good parent never withdraws an offer made to his children. If he does it means that the offer was made in bad faith, IMHO.

May God help the people of Kenya!
Anti_Burglar
#530 Posted : Wednesday, March 08, 2017 10:04:54 AM
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chikonde wrote:
A good parent never withdraws an offer made to his children. If he does it means that the offer was made in bad faith, IMHO.

May God help the people of Kenya!



lol.

A rouge child weeping about the cruelty of the parent when being punished is always something to behold.

Anyway, government as baba ended with Moi.

lol.
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