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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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Kratos wrote:They say even death cannot cure idiocy . Why do Kenyans like lying to themselves? Are we just hopelessly idiotic? Picketing, Strikes, demonstrations or whatever you want to call it, is actually guaranteed in the "new"constitution.
Whatever Cord is doing at the moment is none of the above.
How many times have teachers held demos around the country for better pay?
How many times have nurses and doctors held strikes and picketed for better pay and better working conditions.
How many times have rights groups held demos over various human rights issues. The list is endless. How many of such have ended with scenes like we are witnessing? Few and far apart if any.
Is is more than obvious the demonstrations have nothing to do with picketing or whatever nice name you want to call it. Its plain violence being meted out on innocent Kenyans. Then we act all surprised and start taking sides on who is right and who was wrong when police brutally carry out extrajudicial punishments and/or killings, when women get raped in the preceding melee, when shops are looted and so on and so forth.
The reason we have institutions and laws is so that we can abide by them no matter how aggrieved we feel whether rightly or wrongly. If tomorrow other "leaders" woke up and decided that all judges must be forcefully removed from office because of a case which they lost and uses their influence among the population then what next. Seemingly barbarism is not limited to our neanderthal ancestors. When you start putting aside the constitution to please someone so that you can be guaranteed "peace" then you are equally to blame because the cycle will forever be endless.
2007 is coming as we pretend to take moral sides instead of nicking it the bud. Anyway what do I know! @ kratos you have said it.....word. ... Democracy does not belong to the dead
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In threads like these, the best way I can contribute is to advise people to make good use of the "Hide Users Posts" function when you click on someone's username.
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Mike Ock wrote:In threads like these, the best way I can contribute is to advise people to make good use of the "Hide Users Posts" function when you click on someone's username. Because names betrays our stands?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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What problem or issue are we dealing with here? In my opinion, we seem to be trying to find reasons for either removing or retaining the IEBC commissioners.
But what's causing us to try either of these courses of action? Political pressure and threat of instability? How do we know the reasons we're giving for our preferences are right?
For me that line of thinking leads to a dead end.
So I take these calls and protests as a tactic for some other objective. Because the commission is a weak point in our system, the game is about attacking it and probably to get a vantage point when it comes political bargaining. But who's bargaining for what? The elite are bargaining for their own power and are using Wanjiku Manono as bargaining chips and that's what is happening even here in Wazua.
I give it to cord for coming up with a bait that few can refuse to swallow. The government has failed to come up with an intelligent response, and Wanjiku has been swept away by fear and paranoia.
Look at it this way, because it's said that Jubilee has the numbers and clout in parliament and senate, why shouldn't they initiate constitutional proceedings against IEBC and because there are specified standards of proof and procedure then justice can take its course? I suspect such action would give them more credibility and support.
But it seems the government is more intent on asserting strength through the use of force. Ditto the opposition. It's showmanship. That's why Wanjiku Manono is experiencing collateral damage.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/10/2013 Posts: 29
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what about a different approach, let CORD hold their demos, ask them of times and close the roads around the area. What will happen and let them picket and probably they will wear themselves out. It looks to me that most people are not for the demos but it's there and allowed by the constitution. The more they are held back, the more the miles of print they get and the more it gains traction . . . could that be what any organizer would want?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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The Commissioners are just doing their jobs like any other Kenyans. If their employers are tired of them they can just terminate their employment and pay them off for the next unexpired terms. No one gains and no one loses if the current Commissioners are sent home with a severance package. Kenyan does not need to burn over personnel issues. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2007 Posts: 337
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Rollout wrote:Kratos wrote:Rollout wrote:Kratos wrote:They say even death cannot cure idiocy . Why do Kenyans like lying to themselves? Are we just hopelessly idiotic? Picketing, Strikes, demonstrations or whatever you want to call it, is actually guaranteed in the "new"constitution.
Whatever Cord is doing at the moment is none of the above.
How many times have teachers held demos around the country for better pay?
How many times have nurses and doctors held strikes and picketed for better pay and better working conditions.
How many times have rights groups held demos over various human rights issues. The list is endless. How many of such have ended with scenes like we are witnessing? Few and far apart if any.
Is is more than obvious the demonstrations have nothing to do with picketing or whatever nice name you want to call it. Its plain violence being meted out on innocent Kenyans. Then we act all surprised and start taking sides on who is right and who was wrong when police brutally carry out extrajudicial punishments and/or killings, when women get raped in the preceding melee, when shops are looted and so on and so forth.
The reason we have institutions and laws is so that we can abide by them no matter how aggrieved we feel whether rightly or wrongly. If tomorrow other "leaders" woke up and decided that all judges must be forcefully removed from office because of a case which they lost and uses their influence among the population then what next. Seemingly barbarism is not limited to our neanderthal ancestors. When you start putting aside the constitution to please someone so that you can be guaranteed "peace" then you are equally to blame because the cycle will forever be endless.
2007 is coming as we pretend to take moral sides instead of nicking it the bud. Anyway what do I know! Kenya constitution at some point in time clearly stated that Kenya was a one party state, if we followed your thinking we would still be in KANU now. Wait, at one point, the law didn't allow Kenyans to own properties and had no rights, again if we follow your thinking we would still be under the colonialist. You're either stupid or too blinded by tribal loyalty because everything that we enjoy right now people have had to fight unjust laws including constitution put in place with skewed interest that do not serve the people. I am responsible for what I write but not what you comprehend. You wrote it in a public forum meaning that you were ready for dress down, in other word, you were ready to be told how smart or how stupid your statement thinking is. I just told you how stupid your thinking is. @Rollout,surely bwana this is unwarranted. Advice is like snow.The softer it lands the harder is sticks.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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vin wrote:Rollout wrote:Kratos wrote:Rollout wrote:Kratos wrote:They say even death cannot cure idiocy . Why do Kenyans like lying to themselves? Are we just hopelessly idiotic? Picketing, Strikes, demonstrations or whatever you want to call it, is actually guaranteed in the "new"constitution.
Whatever Cord is doing at the moment is none of the above.
How many times have teachers held demos around the country for better pay?
How many times have nurses and doctors held strikes and picketed for better pay and better working conditions.
How many times have rights groups held demos over various human rights issues. The list is endless. How many of such have ended with scenes like we are witnessing? Few and far apart if any.
Is is more than obvious the demonstrations have nothing to do with picketing or whatever nice name you want to call it. Its plain violence being meted out on innocent Kenyans. Then we act all surprised and start taking sides on who is right and who was wrong when police brutally carry out extrajudicial punishments and/or killings, when women get raped in the preceding melee, when shops are looted and so on and so forth.
The reason we have institutions and laws is so that we can abide by them no matter how aggrieved we feel whether rightly or wrongly. If tomorrow other "leaders" woke up and decided that all judges must be forcefully removed from office because of a case which they lost and uses their influence among the population then what next. Seemingly barbarism is not limited to our neanderthal ancestors. When you start putting aside the constitution to please someone so that you can be guaranteed "peace" then you are equally to blame because the cycle will forever be endless.
2007 is coming as we pretend to take moral sides instead of nicking it the bud. Anyway what do I know! Kenya constitution at some point in time clearly stated that Kenya was a one party state, if we followed your thinking we would still be in KANU now. Wait, at one point, the law didn't allow Kenyans to own properties and had no rights, again if we follow your thinking we would still be under the colonialist. You're either stupid or too blinded by tribal loyalty because everything that we enjoy right now people have had to fight unjust laws including constitution put in place with skewed interest that do not serve the people. I am responsible for what I write but not what you comprehend. You wrote it in a public forum meaning that you were ready for dress down, in other word, you were ready to be told how smart or how stupid your statement thinking is. I just told you how stupid your thinking is. @Rollout,surely bwana this is unwarranted.  someone has been rolled on, I have to paste this again. Quote:
'I am responsible for what I write but not what you comprehend.'
perfect , then some more matusi are rolled-out after such a beautiful response.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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UK is 'powerless' regarding this matter, he said while visiting the 'area where the iebc chair can trace his roots' while launching development projects. Voters from This same area significantly supported 'cord' in 2013. Politricks I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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thuks wrote:UK is 'powerless' regarding this matter, he said while visiting the 'area where the iebc chair can trace his roots' while launching development projects. Voters from This same area significantly supported 'cord' in 2013. Politricks http://www.businessdaily...6/-/i3o4lv/-/index.html
Amekaa Ngumu kama Gumo! i.am.back!!!!
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