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MatataMingi wrote:Muriel wrote:Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.
Indeed the enemy is within.
The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?
Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower! @ Muriel, A really stupid comment. Do you know your history? Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy in which the personal traits of an opponent is questioned as a means to invalidate his argument. Alma tried it and now you. If the soundness of my argument is not-so-sound please show it preferably through logic without fallacies. I realise my choice of words (especially the 'bloody' part but as I have explained it is not an abuse but practical reality) may be too strong and for that only I apologise.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:symbols wrote:@AlphDoti - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...sts&t=31086&p=3
This is a verse you like to quote to bolster the peaceful image of Islam. 5:32 wrote:
For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
So as we discuss KDF in Somalia and corruption in Kenya explain how a Muslim is supposed to follow the peaceful part you like to highlight and not the violent part. @AlphDoti - You consider the Bible to be corrupted so selectively quoting it or trying to explain it away through Islam is convenient but illogical and irrelevant. You quote the verse to prove how peaceful Islam is.My question is how does a Muslim follow the peaceful part you highlight and ignore the violent part? This is Supkem selectively quoting the Quran like you do. Supkem to form body to monitor Islamic institutions in fight on radicalismQuote:
“Islam equates the killing of innocent souls to the killing of all mankind.
“Killing innocent people for no apparent reason is the biggest mischief on any human being regardless of ethnic and religious background.
Their emphasis is on 'innocent people' but apparently they can't convince the extremists that Kenyans are innocent. You,Supkem and Islam can't condemn crucifixions,beheading,executions and amputations.It is Islamic otherwise you would condemn Islamic countries (e.g. Saudi Arabia),individuals and groups who are following these(as you put it) 'practical injuctions' you say Allah has revealed. @symbols, even @alma got tired of your going round and round. Where do you read violence in that verse?  It's very clear in Quran 5:32 that you cannot kill innocent human being. This completely refutes any claim of violence as you are trying to allude. I've emphasized that killing of the innocent civilians, whether through aggression or suicidal means, is under no circumstances permissible in Islam. So as far as terrorism is concerned, it is haram in Islam and whoever does, will go to hell. So what about the guilty criminals? What should we do about these people who do that? The scholars of Islam say they should be punished, they are criminals and the aim is to find them and kill them as criminals by convicting them by court of law. The only 'innocent' person is the one who has surrendered to Allah.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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MatataMingi wrote:Muriel wrote:alma wrote:Muriel wrote:Alma, you see, Islam is a bloody religion that is ironically oft marketed as a 'religion of peace'. That much is indisputable and we have had long debates about it here that have not been refuted so far. Islam asks for tolerance where it is the minority but where its the majority, blood flows freely and a casual look at the areas of its birth confirms this.
Indeed the enemy is within.
The son of the one tasked with collecting local intel on the enemy is the enemy! He could not find intel on his own son how then could he he find intel on his son's friends and their activities?
Al shabab being finished is like Islam being finished. Oh! How we need Hamburglar's manpower! That's a very silly argument. Christianity is the religion of peace too. Don't let me remind you of the Christian MPIg who was busy raping someone recently. Humbaglar will not support you, he/she will support me. The Christian will want to prove that he's peaceful, yet more humans have died in the name of Christ than anyone else. Remove your religious goggles for once. You are talking and behaving like the Christian right wing nuts who created the Iraq war. Thanks to them, they killed a lot of fellows then created ISIL. An organisation that is so powerful that countries even the Islamic countries are at a loss on how to control it. Endeleeni vivyo hivyo with your funny religious arguments and don't be shocked to find ISIL living in Mandera in 6 months. Wacheni mzaha tafadhali. It's time for strategic planning which means including those muslims you so love beating with a stick. Bring Christ out of your heart for a second and realise you must love the Muslim just as you love your God. Otherwise 200 was a small number. Alma, the singular and all-important difference is that one claims that what he does is in total obedience to his God. Infact, he insists he will go to heaven to extremely rich rewards because he does it. He will even point out to an 'It is written.' No other religion in this planet has made such an assertion. To this day and age. Like clockwork, after the event, a section will tell you 'they do not represent Islam'. While the other section insists to you 'this is the will of God'. Why do you take the word of one section and ignore the other section? Because one section is the real Islam 99.9999% and the other is a group of nutters, maybe created by us The Qur'an, properly understood is a gold mine. A first step, I believe, in deciding whose word is true is to understand the Qur'an for oneself. There should be no group or herd mentality in these matters. I would like to know how my understanding of the Qur'an is wrong and how my (mis)understanding of it has contributed to the creation of 'nutters'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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watched the flick "fury" over the weekend and one statement stuck out  it was an ad lib in the flick but it kinda explains everything about human existence. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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of 10 deadliest attacks by Alshabaab,4 have been in somalia  If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Those youth that went to Somalia and have not been involved in terror attacks, govt should give amnesty if they are willing to surrender. A sure many will give accounts of such harrowing experience in Somalia so much so that no other youth will want to go there. Or how does govt ever hope to win back youths who have been brainwashed / promised bliss in Somalia and actually expect so?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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limanika wrote:Those youth that went to Somalia and have not been involved in terror attacks, govt should give amnesty if they are willing to surrender. A sure many will give accounts of such harrowing experience in Somalia so much so that no other youth will want to go there. Or how does govt ever hope to win back youths who have been brainwashed / promised bliss in Somalia and actually expect so? Once you join Alshabab you NEVER come out alive. They are very bruttle. no comms no frredom..you don't know what is happning next. ...just take orders as they are...you question you get a bullet. If they suspect you of thinking to leave....dead you are.The foot fellows know NOTHING totaly,they even don't know their current locations as they are moved under darkness cintinually. The only released are those confirmed purely indoctrinated fellows who are ready for suicide missions. My brother if you here of A surrendered youth be wary. The only ones you can count on are the prisoners of war. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/16/2009 Posts: 1,464
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Boris Boyka wrote:limanika wrote:Those youth that went to Somalia and have not been involved in terror attacks, govt should give amnesty if they are willing to surrender. A sure many will give accounts of such harrowing experience in Somalia so much so that no other youth will want to go there. Or how does govt ever hope to win back youths who have been brainwashed / promised bliss in Somalia and actually expect so? Once you join Alshabab you NEVER come out alive. They are very bruttle. no comms no frredom..you don't know what is happning next. ...just take orders as they are...you question you get a bullet. If they suspect you of thinking to leave....dead you are.The foot fellows know NOTHING totaly,they even don't know their current locations as they are moved under darkness cintinually. The only released are those confirmed purely indoctrinated fellows who are ready for suicide missions. My brother if you here of A surrendered youth be wary. The only ones you can count on are the prisoners of war. I had never thought of it in this way. Very insightful.....I like
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2013 Posts: 1,977 Location: Here
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A good move though why make it public???? what is the meaning of "undervover" SMH ...this will have a counter...i vividly rem after westgate...a certain.mkamba constable box shaven was brought all over media saying he was undercover and what he did.....that's a blown cover...risky to himself and family....This PR thing police are doing will kill them through assasinations. Anyway i wish them the best. To all wazuans..have you ever thought of insider informants being in our secrty organs???  If so then  When you corrupt in registration of births....a child kebab....then in ID taking...youth kebab...then in recruitment...an informer with divided loyalty...We have a lot to do and gaaament needs our help...gaament is not UMK and Wailer....Ni hayo tu. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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