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gathinga wrote:@a4architect. You have been very helpful of late providing useful and well researched information on matters housing.
What do you reckon are the best colors for:
(a) bedroom
(b) living room
(c) lounge
For married couples trust me let the wife decide whatever makes her happy. Otherwise you shall be forking money fie redecoration very soon. Call Peter Marangi aje with a colour chart get very nice mags like with speeads and interiors. . . Unless it is your private room speaking as a plug "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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limanika wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@limanika. 99% of stone coated steel roof tiles use gauge 26 steel mabati. All stone coated steel roofs are the same. The reason some fade is that they come in basic colours so when someone requests a special colour, they just spray paint using car paint. This spray painting is the reason for fading. They are all manufactured in China under same standards. Someone in Australia/New Zealand has been holding the patent for this.Am sure by now the patent has expired. http://en.wikipedia.org/...ne-coated_metal_roofing
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In 1954, L.J. Fisher, an industrialist from New Zealand, secured the rights to produce stone-coated metal roofing outside of Great Britain. The company he founded, AHI Roofing, operates the largest metal roofing factory in the world, and has continued to make changes to the metal roofing product.[3]
Not sure if you read the link in my previous post or maybe am missing something. Apparently these tactile stone coated sheets are being manufactured locally – by tile and carpet, and are about 25% cheaper than the Decra tiles. Now, Tile and carpet is a respected company and just wanted to know if anyone can recommend their stone coated tiles. I would consider them if the product is good rather than importing from China and end up creating jobs in china. ANYONE? @limanika. The tiles cost approx. 1700 per m2. This is more or less the same price as any other stone coated steel tile if you are good in negotiating for the best discounts. The technology is South Korean. The gauge is 26. I see no difference in cost or quality with other stone coated roof tiles. As i said, they are all the same.Whether you import directly or buy locally, cost is the same. The difference is how far you can push for a good price whether imported, local or otherwise. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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a4architect.com wrote:limanika wrote:a4architect.com wrote:@limanika. 99% of stone coated steel roof tiles use gauge 26 steel mabati. All stone coated steel roofs are the same. The reason some fade is that they come in basic colours so when someone requests a special colour, they just spray paint using car paint. This spray painting is the reason for fading. They are all manufactured in China under same standards. Someone in Australia/New Zealand has been holding the patent for this.Am sure by now the patent has expired. http://en.wikipedia.org/...ne-coated_metal_roofing
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In 1954, L.J. Fisher, an industrialist from New Zealand, secured the rights to produce stone-coated metal roofing outside of Great Britain. The company he founded, AHI Roofing, operates the largest metal roofing factory in the world, and has continued to make changes to the metal roofing product.[3]
Not sure if you read the link in my previous post or maybe am missing something. Apparently these tactile stone coated sheets are being manufactured locally – by tile and carpet, and are about 25% cheaper than the Decra tiles. Now, Tile and carpet is a respected company and just wanted to know if anyone can recommend their stone coated tiles. I would consider them if the product is good rather than importing from China and end up creating jobs in china. ANYONE? @limanika. The tiles cost approx. 1700 per m2. This is more or less the same price as any other stone coated steel tile if you are good in negotiating for the best discounts. The technology is South Korean. The gauge is 26. I see no difference in cost or quality with other stone coated roof tiles. As i said, they are all the same.Whether you import directly or buy locally, cost is the same. The difference is how far you can push for a good price whether imported, local or otherwise. I beg to differ on a few points: .First, small one-time buyers of the stone coated tiles may be unable to negotiate any appreciable discount from the suppliers. Assume I require 350sm tiles for my house. If I were to buy from the company selling 1700/sm, I would spend 595K. Assume on the other hand I bought from tactile at 1300/sm.. I would spend 455K – A saving of 140k that would go into timber for trusses etc. If however buying for a large scheme – say 100 houses, maybe then one could get a decent discount. .On the other point the tiles may be all the same technically but aesthetically No. Ever seen two houses side by side with stone coated roof tiles same colour shade - one whose roof tiles that have faded and the other with tiles that have stood the test of time and retained original colour shade? Aesthetically speaking, the one with faded tiles cannot be said to be appealing.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@limanika. Call Tile and Carpet and update yourself. Tactile costs kes 1700 per m2. Here are their contacts. http://tactileroofing.co.ke/contact-us/
On the colour fading, this is caused by when the tile supply company dont have the colour the customer wants so they spray paint the roof. It has nothing to do with tile quality. All stone coated roof tiles are the same i.e gauge 26 plus patented stone coating technology. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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Check FOB China prices here. http://www.alibaba.com/s...-coated-steel-roof.html
It costs kes 500 per m2. Add freight, taxes, transport. Say kes 1,000 Per m2. A 20 ft container has 4000m2. An average house will consume say 400m2. If 10 guys pool together, they will achieve a discounted price of kes 1500 per m2 or less. Same with a developer constructing over 10 houses. He will achieve kes 1500 per m2 or less. Simply put, a Chinese guy roofs his house using stone coated steel tiles at the same cost that a Kenyan guy roof his house with mabati, kes 500 per m2. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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a4architect.com wrote:@limanika. Call Tile and Carpet and update yourself. Tactile costs kes 1700 per m2. Here are their contacts. http://tactileroofing.co.ke/contact-us/
On the colour fading, this is caused by when the tile supply company dont have the colour the customer wants so they spray paint the roof. It has nothing to do with tile quality. All stone coated roof tiles are the same i.e gauge 26 plus patented stone coating technology. Ok, can call for clarification. The price I quoted was based on this article: http://www.businessdaily...8/-/kqgm6y/-/index.html
I appreciate your explanation on what causes the fading but I am not convinced. Will try to do further research and prove myself wrong.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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@limanika. Ok. Once you find contradictory info on the roof fading causes, please share with us here. There is an advert i see on TV saying that the fading stone coated roof tiles are fake. Looks like you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker. Welcome to the world of Mr Google. Make Google your friend for accurate info. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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http://www.businessdaily...8/-/kqgm6y/-/index.html
Quote:The 50,000 square feet factory has a capacity of between 10,000 and 12,000 roof tiles daily, with a retail price of Sh690 per tile. Tactile is a stone coated roofing tile that will be manufactured locally and disturbed in the region. The standard tile is slightly less than 0.5m2. 2 tiles make slightly less than a m2. 2 tiles will be 1400kes. add vat, tax, slight increment to meet 1m2, this brings it to the kes 1700 per m2 as quoted by sales when you call them here . There is a 20% increase from 1400 per 2 tiles to 1700 per m2. http://tactileroofing.co.ke/contact-us/
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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a4architect.com wrote:http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Tile-and-Carpet-to-make-coated-roofing-tiles/-/539550/1926718/-/kqgm6y/-/index.html Quote:The 50,000 square feet factory has a capacity of between 10,000 and 12,000 roof tiles daily, with a retail price of Sh690 per tile. Tactile is a stone coated roofing tile that will be manufactured locally and disturbed in the region. The standard tile is slightly less than 0.5m2. 2 tiles make slightly less than a m2. 2 tiles will be 1400kes. add vat, tax, slight increment to meet 1m2, this brings it to the kes 1700 per m2 as quoted by sales when you call them here . There is a 20% increase from 1400 per 2 tiles to 1700 per m2. http://tactileroofing.co.ke/contact-us/
The typical tactile tile is larger than Decra one and you only need 2 No. to make 1SM, see link below. http://tactileroofing.co.ke/products/
If you were to add 16% to the cost of KSh. 1,380 for 2 tiles, then 1 Sm will cost you 1,600/-. Decra costs KShs. 1900-2100/- per SM. You still make 15-24% saving by buying from Tactile. From where i sit, the only thing one need check is whether they are prone to fading or not
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
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With the FOB China Price at kes 500 per m2, we can assume CIF Nairobi price of kes 1,500. Anything over and above this can be negotiated. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
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