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http://www.nation.co.ke/...21232-5jcl7j/index.html
For those who still doubt jubilee's game plan. Scuttle the talks, collapse public healthcare system, invest in private healthcare.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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And this is where @Masukuma's question is most cutting "what is the end game in that mindset" To ostracise the Doctors in the public eye! Then what,- if they still dont go back to the Hospitals!! This question needs to be asked to the puppeteer himself - forget about the cynics on call! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Other than the post being unauthorised is it factual? This Docs are miles ahead of Itumbi,they should rise above him and ignore him. Privatising health care will take ages if that's the scheme yet in the interim health services have to continue running. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Bigchick wrote:Other than the post being unauthorised is it factual? This Docs are miles ahead of Itumbi,they should rise above him and ignore him. Privatising health care will take ages if that's the scheme yet in the interim health services have to continue running. Aside from mischievous leaking, the other most stark aspect here is the clear demarcation between the literal meaning of the post and the connotative meaning - aka dog whistle which is the key objective. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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Look.. There are 3 ways we can go: 1. The Cuban/Swedish model, where doctors are paid living wages and the public pays for, and are guaranteed health care. No middle investors between the public and its money. Best scenario for a poor country like ours. 2. The half-assed Obamacare that tries to extend care to all through health insurance subsidies and incentivizes doctors to stay in the system-expensive. 3. Or what you are proposing where there are middle “investors” and insurers, who siphon public monies (NIHF), will not insure risky groups and where there is no safety net for the very poor-To say nothing of no incentives for doctors & other health care workers, in addition to it being expensive. Tell me which model will build human capital… P/S I could also accuse you of not knowing what you are talking about (but I won't 😂) Because this is what will happen if the GOP scraps Obamacare
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Bigchick wrote:Other than the post being unauthorised is it factual? This Docs are miles ahead of Itumbi,they should rise above him and ignore him. Privatising health care will take ages if that's the scheme yet in the interim health services have to continue running. Interesting how all problems are being blamed on Mulaguli and now Itoombe. Where is the CS who is paid to run the ministry?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Dahatre wrote:Look.. There are 3 ways we can go: 1. The Cuban/Swedish model, where doctors are paid living wages and the public pays for, and are guaranteed health care. No middle investors between the public and its money. Best scenario for a poor country like ours. 2. The half-assed Obamacare that tries to extend care to all through health insurance subsidies and incentivizes doctors to stay in the system-expensive. 3. Or what you are proposing where there are middle “investors” and insurers, who siphon public monies (NIHF), will not insure risky groups and where there is no safety net for the very poor-To say nothing of no incentives for doctors & other health care workers, in addition to it being expensive. Tell me which model will build human capital… P/S I could also accuse you of not knowing what you are talking about (but I won't 😂) Because this is what will happen if the GOP scraps Obamacare Look the doctors want you to pay them more money, so forget Cuba and Sweden for a moment because these countries dont even pay doctors excessively. These people dont care about models that will build human capital nothing. They want you to continue paying 4 their education. What guarantee do you have that they will not go to Bostwana after youve made your investment? Leave Obama care alone. It was expensive for all, republican and democrats alike. We wait to see what republicans will come up with but I dont think it will be any different. The poor will continue to suffer. Hillary's plan was the best, get govt to issue insurance too - ring a bell - NHIF. But republicans are against big govt. @FRM2011 - If doctors are taking Itumbi's tweets seriously, then they are not serious. Are they negotiating with Itumbi on the table? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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The hypocrisy in this thread is astonishing to say the least. I mean Itumbi's take is instructive as to where the the house on the hill stands - what is his job title again?? Then there is the question of who gave the info to him - or was he in the talks! Is Muraguri and Mailu's lack of jelling orchestrated on purpose! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,935
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murchr wrote:Dahatre wrote:Look.. There are 3 ways we can go: 1. The Cuban/Swedish model, where doctors are paid living wages and the public pays for, and are guaranteed health care. No middle investors between the public and its money. Best scenario for a poor country like ours. 2. The half-assed Obamacare that tries to extend care to all through health insurance subsidies and incentivizes doctors to stay in the system-expensive. 3. Or what you are proposing where there are middle “investors” and insurers, who siphon public monies (NIHF), will not insure risky groups and where there is no safety net for the very poor-To say nothing of no incentives for doctors & other health care workers, in addition to it being expensive. Tell me which model will build human capital… P/S I could also accuse you of not knowing what you are talking about (but I won't 😂) Because this is what will happen if the GOP scraps Obamacare Look the doctors want you to pay them more money, so forget Cuba and Sweden for a moment because these countries dont even pay doctors excessively. These people dont care about models that will build human capital nothing. They want you to continue paying 4 their education. What guarantee do you have that they will not go to Bostwana after youve made your investment? Leave Obama care alone. It was expensive for all, republican and democrats alike. We wait to see what republicans will come up with but I dont think it will be any different. The poor will continue to suffer. Hillary's plan was the best, get govt to issue insurance too - ring a bell - NHIF. But republicans are against big govt. @FRM2011 - If doctors are taking Itumbi's tweets seriously, then they are not serious. Are they negotiating with Itumbi on the table? One of the MAJOR rules in such negotiations and arbitration is confidentiality by ALL parties. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Angelica _ann wrote:murchr wrote:Dahatre wrote:Look.. There are 3 ways we can go: 1. The Cuban/Swedish model, where doctors are paid living wages and the public pays for, and are guaranteed health care. No middle investors between the public and its money. Best scenario for a poor country like ours. 2. The half-assed Obamacare that tries to extend care to all through health insurance subsidies and incentivizes doctors to stay in the system-expensive. 3. Or what you are proposing where there are middle “investors” and insurers, who siphon public monies (NIHF), will not insure risky groups and where there is no safety net for the very poor-To say nothing of no incentives for doctors & other health care workers, in addition to it being expensive. Tell me which model will build human capital… P/S I could also accuse you of not knowing what you are talking about (but I won't 😂) Because this is what will happen if the GOP scraps Obamacare Look the doctors want you to pay them more money, so forget Cuba and Sweden for a moment because these countries dont even pay doctors excessively. These people dont care about models that will build human capital nothing. They want you to continue paying 4 their education. What guarantee do you have that they will not go to Bostwana after youve made your investment? Leave Obama care alone. It was expensive for all, republican and democrats alike. We wait to see what republicans will come up with but I dont think it will be any different. The poor will continue to suffer. Hillary's plan was the best, get govt to issue insurance too - ring a bell - NHIF. But republicans are against big govt. @FRM2011 - If doctors are taking Itumbi's tweets seriously, then they are not serious. Are they negotiating with Itumbi on the table? One of the MAJOR rules in such negotiations and arbitration is confidentiality by ALL parties. Including who? Itumbi is not the Govt "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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